Discussion: CBO: Obamacare Repeal Bill Reduces Deficit By $337 Billion Over 10 Years

I missed the part where CBO estimates how many people will die as a result of AHCA.

So your premiums go up as long as your insurance has to meet ACA requirements, then afterwards “premiums, on average, are estimated to fall because the elimination of actuarial value requirements would result in plans that cover a lower share of health care costs”

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We’ve already ‘dramatically reduced the deficit’ you little bastard. With all the spending you INTEND to do and the giveaways to the rich that you’ve promised the most this will do is keep it even…maybe.

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$337 billion over 10 years isn’t just small for an economy the size of the US, it comes pretty close to pocket change.

Stated a better way: $337 billion over 10 years is 0.656% of GDP.*

Think the lives of hundreds of thousands of citizens might be worth that much? Ryan and his GOP comrades clearly don’t but then they’re probably psychopaths and/or willfully ignorant even when they aren’t venally corrupt (none of these are mutually exclusive conditions of course).

*I can’t recommend the calculators at http://cepr.net/research-tools/online-calculators/ enough; puts budget numbers into a context you rarely see in the news where big numbers are used to titillate, obfuscate, and frighten.

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Based on this report, the government would save $1,774 a year for each person denied health care coverage. That’s not much to show for throwing the people off health care. Most of this will be reflected in unpaid hospital and doctor bills,
And, of course, if they just let the people die they would have to bury them

Now this is the real Death Panel, you cretinous witch.

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Ryan’s stmt includes “…will…make the most fundamental entitlement reform in more than a generation.”
There they go, using ‘reform’ as the weasel word, when what they mean is ‘repeal’.
Tax reform
Regulation reform
Voting reform
School reform
Welfare reform
Hear how these all sound more like the official Republicant (sic) policies when you use ‘repeal’?
Weasel words…from weasels like Ryan.

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Meanwhile, Trumps increased immigration enforcement costs will add about 130 billion over the next ten years. New hire border agents 900 million annually, 10,000 additional ICE agents 3.9 billion annually, increased detention costs will be about 8 billion annually. Add in increased deportation costs, and etc, and soon your talking real money.

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Yes, it is.

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Exactly.

Clearly it is. They already said it’s not about insurance.

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I love ya, TPM. But can we have all the CBO findings in one post, and all the reactions in another? I’ve only skimmed the headlines, and would prefer one medium or long piece to a dozen short pieces. Don’t worry, I have the attention span for that. Love you! :kissing_smiling_eyes:

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Somewhat O/t

Santorum was just on Erin Burnett .

The segment was about the CBO report and what it would mean to Trumpcare. Eventually the conversation addressed maternal care and how it will likely get effected by the ACA repeal.

Santorum: ‘For Lil Sisters of the Poor, they don’t need maternal care.’

Another way to frame it (using Krugman’s numbers) is that we are arguing over about 15 cents. That is the approximate percentage of $230 Trillion dollar GDP that $337 billion dollars is.

They’re counting votes as I write.

Previously on AC360

Trump surrogate Stephen Moore is now using the Tom Price defense.

That the CBO only graded repeal, but not replace.

The law doesn’t have everything happen all at once & as with the original law, it is not likely to all happen in around a year or so. Plus, that’s optimistic – people repeatedly are economically harmed by Republican policies and still vote for them. Already, people were and continue to be harmed by insurance companies and Republicans screwing with PPACA itself (such as not allowing tweaks to improve it) and Democrats and Obama are blamed.

$300 billion.

Josh’s read of this is brilliant. That about $30 billion a year for 10 years.

That’s not much, considering that Republicans want to tax us more for defense spending. For war. Always a precisely-managed budget item, isn’t it? War, you know.

Oh, and then there’s that multi-gazillion dollar wall. And the taxes on imports. Loosening of reg’s on big banks, so they can charge more… and on and on.

Trump is coming for the money.

Ummm no, (at least right now)

Like '14, 2018 could end differently (read horribly) for the Democrats, but that bill that Tom Price wants to be a parent to, ensures that its the GOP who will be holding the bag on this.

And of course note that if not for the tax cuts for the rich, you’d be reducing the deficit by roughly 1.2 Trillion over those same 10 years. Well played.

Worse, they really don’t care one whit that they will be consigning many American citizens to painful deaths with their plans. All so that they can enrich their benefactors with even more money from the Treasury.

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