Discussion: Carter Page Told House Committee He Met With Russian Gov’t Officials In 2016

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Putin’s intelligence services must have been laughing at their luck in finding so many useful idiots in the Trump orbit.

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Going down quicker than a cheap taffeta evening dress in a Motel 6 room on Wasilla Prom Night.

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Carter wants to be indicted/arrested for something -anything. He is an attention seeking distraction and who knows if anything that comes out of his mouth is true.

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Carter Page’s patron saint:

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I predict a full chapter devoted to this guy in “Team of Morons.”

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So, let’s see here.

Jeff Sessions was aware of Page’s then upcoming trip to Russia. Page, contrary to his previous statements, met with high ranking Russian government officials during this trip. Then reported back to Trump campaign officials. Exactly who? Don’t know, but Jeff Sessions might be worried about now.

Maybe this is why we’re hearing the “Collusion? Was that wrong?” defense from the Trump team.

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He’s the new Doug Feith = remember what was said about Feith? He was the stupidest fucking man in America?

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I was following a Norman Ornstein Twitter thread and one of the commenters gave as succinct an explanation of the Trump EC college win as I’ve heard. Trump basically demanded that us white folks choose sides. That’s what Gillespie is doing now in VA. Most of us didn’t choose wisely. Why should the outcome be different?

What if Mueller superbly presses his case and identifies or indicts the villains and it simply doesn’t matter? There was a bit on Vox about this

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It will matter plenty when people vote next year if they’re still dragging that rotting corpse around. More votes for us.

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I sincerely hope you’re right, Tena, I hope you’re right.

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Which resulted in Palin spawn # 1?

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Conservatives are in the post-morality era, but are too afraid to acknowledge that fact because it hits too close to home.

It’s Progressives who demand better behavior, more accountability, and who don’t believe the ends justify the means. And yet, we’re the God-hating heathens. Go figure.

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I’d just like to point out that meeting with officials of a hostile foreign government is likely to be a felony, Period. Full stop. Tools down.

See: The Logan Act… it’s a relatively new law, passed in 1799, so it’s only been on the books for a couple of centuries, now.

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I am ralph, I am.

Someone posted a reply to something I said yesterday - I was talking about the 4 judges in Texas who have switched to Democrat. The comment said that there was nothing to it because nobody knew who they were and vote party. Well that’s exactly why it’s exciting and speaks volumes. They switched because they have seen something that caused them to believe the more people will vote for them if they are Democrats, especially if they are strangers - they’ll get that party vote like most judges do and since the judiciary is jumping ship here that means they believe the Democrats are going to have a big election next year or they wouldn’t have switched parties.

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I believe that’s properly characterized as Trump’s “Sphere of Effluence.”

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Plus, look at all the R Congresscritters in Texas who have suddenly announced their retirement.

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Tena: More Votes…
Ralph_VonHolst : I hope you’re right.

Well… for the truly paranoid among us, that’s not quite the right thing to hope… I mean, yes, that at least, but ALSO, that the government begins to take seriously the ability and the WILL of the Russians to influence our elections, and to perhaps tamper with our new Electronic, Internet Connected, (WHY?), voting machines. 'Cause it really don’t matter how many votes get cast, or for whom. What maters is how many votes get counted.

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There are a number of not-good ‘what-ifs’. What if Trump fires Mueller and it doesn’t matter? What if Trump announces that there were indeed numerous contacts with Russians, indeed cooperation with them, but it doesn’t matter? And–here’s the kicker–what if it turns out that US citizens are not prepared to bring the country to a halt in those events?

I’ve repeatedly suggested that there ought to be plans being made for such eventuality right now–plans that amount to more than (to take a local NYC example) marching from Times Square to Union Square. But none of the Indivisible, Rise and Resist folk think that’s called for. Apparently people have faith in either (1) the power of limited demonstrations, or (2) the residual strength of our institutions, or (3) the ability of citizens to ‘rise up’ without any kind of planning, leadership, or experience of doing so. Now, it may be that this faith is well-founded. But on the evidence of how things have proceeded in the last few years, it simply has no foundation in fact; and even it it did, what would be the harm in making plans in case things don’t go as hoped for? I’d love to see articles on TPM about ‘What a Popular Revolt Would Look Like’, or ‘Who’s Going to Lead the Popular Revolt’ etc. That conversation needs to start happening now, pronto, yesterday, because we know for sure that the GOP fascists are all set and ready for any kind of showdown, with orchestrated support from Fox, WSJ, etc. It would also give would-be traitors and cowards some food for thought.

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