You do realize, right, that (1) Trump is acting like a dictator by dealing with one company at a time, and (2) any deal with Carrier will almost certainly involve a corrupt special deal that exempts Carrier from taxes, competition, regulations, etc, which will continue to apply to everyone else; (3) that Carrier and other companies singled out for this kind of treatment will almost certainly become miniature Gazproms, i.e. private companies with special connections to the government; and that (4) this is a recipe for a corrupt oligarchy that will screw over the country, its resources and its environment? And you still think Trump deserves credit?
24 Likes
But thatâs how the scam works: early dividends are reassuring, until they stop coming. By then, the scammed start realizing something is not right.
9 Likes
Has anyone asked drumph if all his businessâs are bringing back their jobs from overseas?
11 Likes
Applying a 45% tariff across the board is more efficient that negotiating with thousands of companies that have shipped jobs across the globe. This is an indication that he is not going to apply tariffs and is looking for token victories that right wing echo chambers and Russia botnets will amplify as yuuge success in bringing jobs. Donât get be wrong I do not support tariffs.
3 Likes
I donât think this is a very winning argument. Presidents have every right to take credit for the work done by their subordinates.
" And you still think Trump deserves credit?"
No, and your points may become reality, but itâs all about the 2,000 U.S. Carrier workers, isnât it. And donât forget the mediaâs role in the coming adulation. And this before the fucker even sets foot in the WH. The comparison will be splashed across the mediaâs front pages. And CNN and assembled panel will be discussing:
Obama Offered Hope & Change - Trump Saves 2,000 Jobs!
6 Likes
These are the issues drump can take on without Congress. Thatâs not say he will be able to achieve them because even a newbie demagogue still has the Constitution to contend with and an entrenched bureaucracy, but heâll give them all a go. Thereâs an equally big batch he might need help from Congress on, and another batch he will def need Congress on.
Suspend immigration from âterror-prone regionsâ
End foreign trade abuses
Choose Supreme Court nominee
Leave the Trans-Pacific Partnership
Label China a currency manipulator
Limit federal regulations
Roll back environmental regulations
Rescind Obamaâs actions on guns
Approve the Keystone XL pipeline
Tighten lobbying restrictions
Freeze federal hiring
Overturn protections for certain undocumented immigrants
Cancel payments to U.N. climate programs
Propose term limits on Congress
3 Likes
Letâs see just what kind of effect all of Chiselinâ Trumpâs hot air has on the air conditioner manufacturer.
2 Likes
But we donât really know what the deal here is. Carrier is all set to send a sizable chunk of their American workforce out to pasture. The economic conditions and profit margins are all still real things that drive companies like them to ship labor abroad, and the fact that Carrier never gave a shit about the impact on the families of their workers in the U.S. certainly didnât all of a sudden change. This might mean decreased wages, slashed benefits or unpaid overtime. It could set a bad precedent where companies agree to stay here by becoming more like the countries theyâre planning on moving to.
11 Likes
You mean the way Hillary got points for trying to get health care to all when her husband was President? Like Obama got credit for actually insuring millions of Americans who had no hope before the ACA (which the GOP tried to knee-cap in every way possible)?
Sadly though, youâre right. The GOP has cornered the market on the âgood lie.â It works for them. Holding people accountable became âThe blame game.â -->. Catchy and it rhymes, so the rubes love it. Doing the right thing for people turned in to âThe Nanny State.â Anything that government does that costs money except starting and fighting wars is just one more example of government over-reach.
And the willfully ignorant go along with it. Rather than giving Trump âpoints for tryingâ it is more like leaving a trail of boogers on a wall. LOL
12 Likes
I think the important point to be aware of here is that phoning up Carrier or Ford MC is actually pretty easy. It is not exactly âgoing through the narrow doorâ. Much more difficult to rebuild the consumer electronics industry in the U.S. (as I watch all those white folks coming out of Costco on Black Friday with their Chinese/Korean giant teevees) or achieve a sustainable green economy. China is the world leader in solar capacity and will expand upon it. I donât begrudge Trump his underachievement. But cajoling is one thing; overarching vision and economic planning is another.
7 Likes
A little history here is useful. FDR did this all the time. He used his Uncle Tedfyâs bully pulpit to âcounselâ big companies, and if he hadnât done so, we would have neither pulled out of the Depression nor become the âarsenal if democracyâ that vanquished the Nazis and literally saved the world from the Thousand Year Reich. JFK very publicly and aggressively went after the big steel companies that broke their word on holding the line on price increases. Jimmy Carter brought the coal companies and the union into the Labor Secretaryâs office and basically didnât let them out until they reached a labor contract agreement ending a nationwide coal strike. None of these companies became the Gazprom of their day. But the national interest was served when private psrties were unable to do so on their own.
3 Likes
WowâŚnow there is a remarkably short sighted statement. Have you already forgotten the âjawboningâ involved in saving the entire auto industry as well as most of the financial industry?
Yeah, I knowâŚObama didnât brag about non stop like Trump is doing. Oh, and btwâŚdid you happen to notice that Carrier has âbeen in discussionsâ with various people, including Pence, about this move for a very long time? Literally years?
This is how corporations work itâŚthey make politicians sweeten the pot, take those tax payers financed offeringsâŚand declare themselves on the high ground. And why do they get away with it?
Because people just fall over themselves to declare idiots like Trump âwinnersâ who âdeserve to be recognized for their effortsâ
14 Likes
I literally know dozens of former co-workers whoâs jobs were outsourced to India for a fraction of what they were being paid. What about them?
1 Like
Well, Bill Clinton got re-elected after the failure of Hillarycare and the enactment of Hillaryâs CHIP (Chikdrenâs Health Insurance Program) legislation. And Obama got re-elected after the eanactment if the ACA. so, I guess one could argue that, yes, indeed, they did get credit for those good deeds.
2 Likes
You may be right but like you say, âBut we donât really know what the deal here is.â What you didnât include are tax breaks, abatements, etc. for Carrier. Sure, it may result in less state revenue and corporate profits but consider the state and federal revenue generated by 2,000 payroll checks every week. Easy choice to make - if those are the choices.
4 Likes
Any of these fools who voted for Trump deserve the worst.
3 Likes
No one asked him that when he was running, why should they start now?
3 Likes
There is some overstatement in your list.
Choose Supreme Court nominee - but that still requires Senate confirmation
Limit federal regulations - not as much as you might think and it depends on the regulation and the agency involved.
Roll back environmental regulations - great example, since much of the environmental regulation is based on laws that Congress has passed through the years. The President cannot overturn laws on his own.
Approve the Keystone XL pipeline - thatâs pretty much a dead issue, as the economics have shifted so much that the key Canadian companies are no longer interested in building it.
Tighten lobbying restrictions - any Administration can (and usually does) set limits on lobbying. But that only applies to agencies/people in the Executive Branch. To set limits on lobbying of Congress, requires Congress.
Freeze federal hiring - Only to a degree. The President has to spend the money Congress allocates, in the way that Congress tells him. He has very little discretion here. So if Congress appropriates money for hiring more, sayâŚIRS employees, the President has to hire more IRS employees.
Cancel payments to U.N. climate programs. - Again, if Congress appropriates the money specifically for U.N. climate programs, the President has to spend that money on those programs.
Propose term limits on Congress - Absolutely meaningless, because only Congress can pass laws that set term limits. And that isnât about to happen any time soon (if ever). The President can propose all sorts of things to Congress. But it still requires Congress to do them.
4 Likes
Will Americans be informed about the details of these illusive Trump deals- you know, the tax giveaways, the side deals enriching the illusive Trump businesses, or will these details go by the way of Trump tax returns and Trump business entanglements?
5 Likes