Discussion: Canada Breaks With US In Grounding Boeing 737 Max 8 Planes

FAA and Boeing are up to some serious CYA cosplay. Glad to see Canada flex a bit on this one.

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This is what regulatory action looks like in a wholly Republican government. Instead of being the first country to take action on a known issue, we lag behind the world because the first issue being considered is the possible damage to corporate profits.

Rachel’s discussion of this last night was a little over conspiratorial but brought up many good points that, so far, are not being seen in most of the stories covering this issue. The continued weakness of the FAA (I forgot all about Trump trying to make his personal pilot the head of the agency) was particularly interesting.

Sell your Boeing stock now.

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So when a Max 8 crashes because the President got a phone call from Boeing’s boss and directed that it stay up, then would the Republicans support impeachment?

Seems like willingly putting American lives at risk for profit should be grounds.

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Canada had some scores to settle with Boeing about the Bombardier thing.

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That’s it ! …

Now can we get that Canada wall built ? ? …

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Not claiming to know better than you, but I did not think it was overly conspiratorial—I see every action Trump takes is to create business opportunities for himself (and therefore those who are willing to play along).

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Knowing nothing about the law in this regard, but if the countries can prove that the Boeing 737 Max 8 was defective, do all the countries get to sue Boeing at once?

They ain’t on the Boeing payola
Ya want protection ya got to pay up

The Canadian decision is right.

Boeing has said it has no reason to pull the popular aircraft from the skies and does not intend to issue new recommendations about the aircraft to customers.

The deadly erratic behavior of the aircraft, and ONLY this aircraft, is not a cause for concern…only in the USA, home of Boeing.

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Canadians are old enough to remember when Boeing got the Trump admin to screw Bombardier out of business. Anyway, didn’t Trump himself give the green light for grounding with his ‘‘too complex to fly’’ comment? Incidentally, this will be a great slogan for Airbus(-Bombardier) going forward.

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It was good
It hit the salient points that seem to have eluded every other American TeeVee news The nightly broadcasts gave it all of 2 minutes

Clip here if you have time

I forgot that the Transport Minister for Canada is a real live astronaut.

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True, but the international trade portfolio that had the major beef with Boeing is a different group from Transport Canada Civil Aviation (the equivalent of the FAA), and of course it’s the latter who instituted the temporary grounding. Also the former actually won that beef with Boeing in arbitration, so I doubt they’re still especially pissed about it. :wink:

Maybe if a major donor was on board.

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Yeah Boeing leadership aren’t covering themselves with glory here. The various national aviation authorities who have grounded the Max aren’t saying there is a problem with the aircraft; only that there might be, and it’s prudent to ground the plane until the crash investigations can move closer to ruling out a systemic flaw, given the obvious crash similarities. Temporary groundings of other aircraft types have happened many times. A more nuanced statement would be something like “we continue to cooperate with all investigations into the tragic loss of these two aircraft, and note that these aircraft have accumulated xx 1000’s of hours of flight time with other carriers without experiencing issues of the types reported by the media. We caution all concerned against rushing to judgement”. Instead we get a maximal “there’s no reason to do anything” statement, which is making them look terrible. I’d guess tens of thousands of Boeing employees are thinking “wtf are you doing? Just be cautious”

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I completely agree. I would, however, venture a little farther to say that this is also a primary consideration of the Democratic Party. Maybe not the sole consideration a la the GOP, but still far too prominent.

The part that struck me most was the “software fix” that Boeing has been working on (since the first Lion Air crash?). She said that this would be installed in planes by the end of April. I’m left to wonder if Boeing was just hoping another plan wouldn’t crash so they could install their fix and no one would investigate further about who knew this was a problem and when. It seems this plane should’ve been grounded after the first tragedy, but perhaps reassurances were given to the acting FAA head and Drumpf that the public was safe? I smell ( yet another) House oversight hearing. JFC…

“Thus far, our review shows no systemic performance issues and provides no basis to order grounding the aircraft,” acting FAA Administrator Daniel K. Elwell said in a statement."

A great resource for all things aviation is Clive Irving over at the Daily Beast. Former commercial pilot, solid writer, timely.