Thanks Gov. Jerry ⌠and California ! â
Okay at least one of these was written by someone whoâs only ever had an âassualt weaponâ described to them by someone else who also had only ever had one described to them over the phone.
The hell is a âbullet buttonâ? Do they mean âmagazine releaseâ? That is literally just a button and does not require a second âtoolâ to facilitate magazine changes, itâs literally âpress button, magazine drops, put new magazine inâ no tools involved⌠This measure targets exactly 0 guns that actually exist⌠Or⌠Every weapon that has a magazine, I canât really tell, because as a former weapons petty officer I have never heard of this âbullet button/ toolâ magazine change system. Itâs actually sounds slow and cumbersome, and like a gun control measure that could be used to still allow the sale of so called âassualt riflesâ but to make them harder to use.
Having very little working knowledge of firearms, I donât know, but that sort of caught my eye as well. How familiar are you with guns? There is another commenter on these threads whoâs pretty well-versed on the subject(s) of guns, the types, how theyâre made, etc. Her name is @arrendis. If youâre out there and see this, your thoughts, arrendis? Thanks.
Like I said I used to operate the armory on board two Coast Guard Cutters. I was responsible for .50 caliber heavy machine guns (M2s), M-16 A2s, shotguns and several .40 caliber handguns, and M14s⌠I also enjoy shooting sports and own several types of guns (but not an. AR-15⌠Though I want one, loved shooting them in the CG) and have never heard of this âbullet buttonâ nonsense⌠I donât even know how it would work.
Also⌠All limiting magazine sizes does is force mass murders to carry more magazines⌠6x 5 round mags= 3x 10 round mags= 2x 15 round mags= 1x 30 round mag⌠Average reload time for an AR-15⌠2.5 seconds
Ah, I missed the part about the armory ⌠sorry about that. You know, Iâve considered going to a shooting range. I donât own a gun and itâs been many years since Iâve even fired one, but it is an awesome feeling of raw power. I remember many years ago when our family lived out in the country, weâd shot cans and bottles. I could never bring myself to shoot a living creature â I was such a wussy (according to my brothers, anyway). I still wouldnât do that, but I could shoot at skeet and the paper bad guys. LOL.
Well, with all your experience and you not understanding what this one bill really targets, Iâm even more curious: wtf?
Yeah Iâd have to read the actual language (and then try in vain to parse the legalese) to figure out what this even meantâŚ
Also I like to shoot paper targets (and if you ask me I think âsillouhteâ style targets should be banned from public sale) and clay pigeons. I have never been hunting (and donât want to) and lived in fear of ever having to draw my weapon while I was in the Coast Guard (luckily never had to even draw my pepper spray let alone my handgun)
Google is our friend. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bullet_button
Start with the fact that under California law, apparently, a semi-automatic rifle with a âdetachable magazineâ is an assault rifle. Perhaps there are caliber or barrel length restrictions as well, I dunno. The key part is the detachable magazine - if you have that, it may be an assault rifle. If not, then itâs not.
Essentially, a âbullet buttonâ replaces the normal finger-operated magazine release with a small press-in button that needs to be operated by a âtoolâ - and a bullet (a cartridge, technically) is legally defined as a âtoolâ in this case. Think of, say, the little paper-clip hole used to open a CD tray instead of the normal button. But sized so the tip of a bullet will fit. Modifying your AR-15 to add a bullet button made the magazine ânon detachableâ and therefore the weapon is not classifiable as an âassault rifleâ in CA (avoiding several restrictions on ownership, I suppose). Basically a bullshit trick to get around regs.
That particular modification is apparently now illegal, and the normal magazine release will be required, with the accompanying re-classification of the weapon back to âassault rifleâ.
[quote=Wikipedia]The bullet button recesses a small release within a block that replaces the magazine release. The recessed button to detach the magazine cannot be pressed by the shooterâs finger. Firearms with this feature no longer have a âdetachable magazineâ under Californiaâs assault weapons definition, and therefore may be exempt depending on the other requirements.
The 2012 court case Haynie v Pleasanton validated that a bullet button is legal and rifles that have one installed are not considered assault weapons.[2]
Many tools have been devised to make it easier and faster to release a magazine from a rifle, as California law states that the user must use an external tool not attached to the rifle. A popular tool, the âmagnet button,â which sticks on the bullet button, has not been determined to be illegal. The use of illegal buttons may cause the rifle to be considered an assault weapon, which is a felony and could result in prosecution.[/quote]
/ex-military
//gun owner
///in favor of these laws
homemade firearms
Do I even want to know about those?
As boidsterâs said, the âbullet buttonâ is a California peculiarity. Basically, itâs a new law saying âno, you canât get around the other gun laws by doing thisâ. No problems there.
My concern about this law is the high-capacity magazine turn-in. How exactly do you enforce it? Go door to door demanding to search everyoneâs homes? Obviously, not. So sure, youâll catch people who bring the magazines out to the range, but otherwise, itâs just another crime to add onto charges brought against people who are already committing crimes. I sympathize with the intent, but the whackadoodles stockpiling ammo in their survival bunkers and feverishly seeing the gubâmint coming for their guns in every shadow⌠this is just gonna fuel their looniness, and it wonât get the magazines out of their hands. If people want these magazines, theyâll still be able to get them, without any significant difficulty. This is a feel-good measure that wonât actually make a lick of difference, unfortunately.
Thereâs a couple of different ways this is used. They might mean zip guns, or guns designed on a regular CAD system and then produced in a small machine shop - there are folks with fully-capable shops in their garage. Itâs not difficult.
Whatâs even easier, and they might also mean this, is that you can order pretty much all of the parts for a firearm without it ever being a firearm - just like ordering a muffler isnât buying a car. Then assemble at home. For the record, itâs easier than assembling a car. Ta-da!