Discussion for article #245712
Is it possible to sentence people to education? I don’t mean a six-week traffic school kind of thing, I mean like force somebody to either get a four-year degree from a decent school–on the state’s dime, no less–or else go to prison?
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Bundy: “The land belongs to the people.”
And those people are the Paiute, Nez Perce, and Chinook.
The State of Oregon never owned that land; the feds took it directly from the native inhabitants.
But thanks for playing. Johnny Olson has some lovely parting gifts for you and your cellmates.
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I’m assuming you are talking about the lawyer who would orchestrate this?
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So lemme get this straight: if the Federal government doesn’t take kindly to a bunch of armed men taking over a public building by force, destroying federal property, and threatening townspeople in their place of work and at their homes, there’s no freedom of speech?
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When you occupy part of a country, insist that you do not recognize the authority of the government and promise to resist by force any one who comes to remove you you are a lot closer to the definition of treason than you are to free speech.
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I think if Ammon actually read that pocket copy of the Constitution these lunkheads all go around with, he’d see that civil disobedience is not a First Amendment right. The problem may very well come down to whether or not he knows how to read.
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Is this a multiple choice quiz?
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This idiot is whining about Free Speech Issues from his jail cell?
Hell, from the volumes of his speech that are finding their way to the media It looks to me like he’s running a damn reality show from his cell.
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“It is your duty to hold federal agencies at bay, protecting the people in your state,” he continued in his statement to state officials.
Yeah, not how that works.
"Arm yourselves with education.
See above.
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Dear redneck dumbass,
The whole point of civil disobedience is to protest what you feel is an unjust law. You deliberately go to jail to illustrate the unfairness of the law in the hopes of drawing attention to it and changing it.
Nobody has infringed on your freedom of speech. Nobody has come anywhere CLOSE to doing so. You’ve been allowed to grandstand all you want. What has been infringed upon is your non-existent right to an armed occupation of federal government property. That is why you are now in jail. And, apparently, most people disagree with you that this land belongs to the people because nobody is eagerly staging protests that your pending imprisonment is unjust.
The end result of all of this is that you wasted everybody’s time for a month, and now are about to go to jail and have accomplished absolutely nothing at all in the process. In fact, I think it’s fair to say that your cause is less popular now than it was before your little escapade. Which means that you’re about to go to jail for years for doing something that makes your cause worse off.
Congratulations!
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“Bundy called on state lawmakers to visit their constituents in prison.”
Well, the right-wingers at least should definitely go to prison.
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So…the guy who’s in jail for arming himself with guns and taking over government property is telling us to arm ourselves with ideas and education? What?! I mean, had him and his cosplaying buddies merely armed themselves with ideas and education before storming the refuge, it wouldn’t have lasted as long or gotten as much attention, but he’d certainly be in a lot less trouble right now.
In fact, I’d almost think he’s admitting that the guns were a mistake, except that he insists that he was arrested for speaking out against the government instead of the theft and threats issue the government is nailing him on. But in truth, it sounds like his lawyer was able to talk enough sense into him to get him to at least sound moderately reasonable, so he’s pretending that the government arrested him for telling the truth; despite the fact that he’s still exercising his free speech while in jail.
And really, where did modern activists get the idea that civil disobedience means you don’t go to jail? Because I’m pretty sure that being arrested for doing what’s right is part of the civil disobedience experience. But of course, it helps if you’re being arrested for the law you’re trying to overturn, so people can see how obviously unfair the law is. But if you’re being arrested for trespassing or making threats, it doesn’t do much to help push the cause that Federal Government is illegitimate.
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I hope the Federal judge overseeing these cases hears about this. Its another reason to deny these traitors bail. They will never ever show up for any follow-up hearings, trials, or sentencing.
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Ack! You JUST beat me to it. I literally had to reread this article 3 times to realize this sh*thead is posting this FROM JAIL.
And he’s telling his “acolytes” about the concept of free speech. As if, in other countrues not necessarily the Third World, he would have had a bullet put in his head and been long forgotten. But now, I’m supoosed to beleive he’s Patrick Henry.
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You have constituents in federal custody. Please visit and contact them to voice your support for free speech, the right to assemble, and civil disobedience," Bundy said in the statement.
When people in prison assemble in groups to speak their mind and engage in disobedience isn't that called a riot?
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I wish Democratic politicians—especially Harry Reid—had the brains to go after the very basis of Bundyism, which is their seditionist refusal to recognize the rights and status of the Federal government they hate, even when the constitution of their home state—Nevada—explicitly does so.
“I believe this is a sovereign state of Nevada,” Bundy said in a radio interview last
Thursday. “I abide by all of Nevada state laws. But I don’t recognize
the United States government as even existing.”
Ironically, this position directly contradicts Article 1, Section 2 of the Nevada Constitution:
“All political power is inherent in the people. Government is
instituted for the protection, security and benefit of the people; and
they have the right to alter or reform the same whenever the public good
may require it. But the Paramount Allegiance of every citizen
is due to the Federal Government in the exercise of all its
Constitutional powers as the same have been or may be defined by the
Supreme Court of the United States; and no power exists in the
people of this or any other State of the Federal Union to dissolve their
connection therewith or perform any act tending to impair, subvert, or
resist the Supreme Authority of the government of the United States. The
Constitution of the United States confers full power on the Federal
Government to maintain and Perpetuate its existence, and whensoever any
portion of the States, or people thereof attempt to secede from the
Federal Union, or forcibly resist the Execution of its laws, the Federal
Government may, by warrant of the Constitution, employ armed force in
compelling obedience to its Authority.”
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Arm yourself with ideas. Arm yourselves with education.
Just don’t arm yourself with pistols, riffles and explosives, then proceed to threaten authorities with them. That’s neither speech nor civil disobedience, and will land you in prison.
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Isn’t the whole point that federal land belongs to the People of the United States, not to individuals? Granted, the Native Americans were there first but that battle is pretty much over. I don’t know what “people” Bundy is referring to but him lecturing anyone about education is rich.
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Apparently his copy of the Constitution is the Skousen annotated version which bears no relation to the actual American Constitution.
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