And rightfully so. Pissing off progressives might get you a dash of salt in your latte by the local Barista.\ along with people turning their noses up at you. Pissing off the RWNJs could get your dog shot, your kids harassed on their way home from school and your house decorated with red spray paint or quite possibly burned down. Plus gunfire should always be anticipated.
There will be time to revisit this after the election.
So the Judge, while siding with many of the DNC claims, felt that they didnât make an explicit enough connection between the RNCâs âpoll-watchingâ as being directly ârelated to voter fraud or ballot security.â The Judge acknowledged the limited amount of discovery time and is allowing the DNC to enlarge their case âafter Election Day.â
What happens if Trump wins and the DNC can show RNC involvement in voter fraud or ballot security after the election?
Nothing will happen in that event.
I appreciate your point. But my point is that the judge felt able to jump to a conclusion about the likely outcome of a trial based on the limited evidence before him, evidence that consisted of (1) clear assertions to the effect that the RNC was involved in the Trumpist voter fraud initiative, and (2) statements contradicting or withdrawing the clear assertions. The assertions were made on TV and are uncontrovertible. The statement in the second category were intrinsically questionable, not tested by oral examination, not supported by discovery. On the evidence before him, the judge ought to have been at best agnostic about the DNCâs prospects of success at trial and ought to have refused to grant the injunction on some other footing, if such footing existed. The kind of conclusion-jumping he went in for was simply without justification.
Thank goodness, for the sake of our democracy, Trump needs this to keep things honest!
(This is snark, in caae there is any confusion)
Thank you - youâre right but the judge also made it very clear that he was open to hearing more evidence. They donât just throw things like being open to more discovery and more evidence out there like that for funsies. He was more or less telling the Democrats to get their evidence together because he is interested in it.
I think he made that as clear as he could - the footnote and the open invitation to do more discovery and bring better evidence back to him speaks volumes to me.
Why would he be? He is a federal judge with lifetime tenure so what would you imagine heâs afraid of?
Youâre kidding, I hope. Death threats to him, threats to his family, an unhinged campaign of defamation and vilification on public media, protests outside the courtroom, his home address and private phone number made public: this is the modus operandi for the right wing these days, in case you havenât noticed. Just look at what happened to the British judges who dared to point out that Parliament, and not the executive, had to approve Brexit:
If a hardened operator like Comey acts out of fear of a backlash, a judge unaccustomed to such treatment certainly can.
No Iâm not kidding.
You donât really understand what a federal judgeâs life is like - death threats, threats to family - all common. Most federal courthouses have separate security cameras outside of every judgeâs chambers.
Threats are a way of life for federal judges.
correction
Obama nominated this studious judge who followed established case law to its obvious conclusion. As of now, its up to the DNC and its advocates to pursue a new avenue to extend the decree.
after all, what is patience again?
gracias
the decree would be extended. Only cause can either keep or extinguish it.
Exactly - thatâs what the suit is really about.
It totally puts the RNC on notice even though the injunction against them was lifted.
and thatâs the victory that should be celebrated: nearly 7k franchised voters who are likely ready to return a favor.
before folks take up this mantle of Chicken Little being right, please remember that NC and Ohio didnât go in Trumpâs favor.
Any attempt to raise hay there would be included in a future DNC request.
those parts could be changing soon.
(The activities of state Republican parties â with the exception of New Jerseyâs â are not covered by the decree, nor are individual candidates or campaigns if they are acting independently of the RNC.)
please donât kill me, but now is a good time to be patient. If any Tues. evidence is rejected by a future court, then thatâs the time to get pissed off. Right now, letâs just see where this goes.
My fave Lincoln quote: Time is a great thickener of things.
Lifting this injunction does not change the outcome of the election or the future of the consent decree, which is still an open question.
for their sake, the RNC had better not be caught red handed.