Discussion: Border Patrol Rejects Soap, Diaper Donations To Child Centers Despite Filthy Conditions

Never in a hundred years would I have believed that the U.S. would be treating people like this in this country in this century.

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The transfer from/to Clint just seems like a horrible shell game. Makes it harder to track children and eventually reunite them with their parents. Or, shockingly, makes it easier to hide any deaths while in custody. Stephen Miller is the one whispering in Trump’s ear on this situation. I can’t wait to see that guy’s smirk behind bars.

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I hate these people. All of them. Absolutely despicable people from top to bottom.

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“But those items, it’s important to note, are available now ~we’ve used our own funding to buy those things~ we’ve been outed withholding them for the purpose of sadism.”

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President Donald Trump and Vice President Mike Pence have blamed Congress (in Trump’s case, Democrats in particular) for not allocating enough money to Wall.

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Things like soap and diapers and toothbrushes create inefficiencies in the system.

With well-dispersed drains in the concrete floor, you just hose down all the kids in the cages every once in a while, the shit goes down the drains with the rest of the waste.

Diapers would start clogging the drains.

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And, the blather that comes out of their mouths; they talk like tRump.
I think there’s some sort of nefarious operation going on to keep us all up in arms. The fact that some outside agency can’t go in and see what’s going on is appalling. Even people in jail have more rights than these children.

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The move also smacks of desperation. CBP knows they’re in hot water and are freaking the hell out. They deserve every legal punishment coming to them.

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Also, you guys see this biznit?

I never used to be in the eliminate ICE camp. I’d figured maybe there are a few bad apples and a leadership of monsters. I think this was a misguided judgment. How come there have not been mass protests and whistleblowers from within ICE and DHS? I understand that this applies to any number of different bureaucracies but we are talking about the systematic abuse of children.

Any ICE employee witnessing these atrocities that doesn’t resign immediately and/or become a whistleblower deserves to be fired when the Trump criminals are finally gone. If there isn’t a criminal statute under which these people can be tried then there damn well should be.

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Easier said than done.

Are you prepared to put your career on the line to become a whistleblower? Knowing that at best you’ll be ostracized and never get a promotion, at worst you’ll be blacklisted and have to move to a different field of work, and maybe to a whole new geographic location?

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“The opposite of love is not hate, it’s indifference." – Elie Wiesel

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Why would the most fiscally conservative, xenophobic, stick- in- the- mud vote Republican? This administration had NO PLAN for reuniting kids taken from their parents. What did they think was going to happen? How is this mess to be paid for? The alternative to taking media attention from this is expensive wars in scary countries. And I have news for you Oh Mighty Rich Ones - you have to breathe the same polluted air we all will. But yes, tax cuts and judges are all worth it.

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Uhhhhh. Let me think about that for a second. YES! I’m not a child abuser. Maybe I’m a little too simple minded and not sufficiently thinking about my own family and the implications on MY life of making that decision. But then I weigh the alternative, which is systematically abusing children or being witness to the systematic abuse of children and I keep coming back to it being an INCREDIBLY easy decision.

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But we’re not talking about actual child abuse here. If the lawyers have cleared whatever level of care, there’s nothing to blow the whistle over.

Sure, if there’s actual abuse going on, the person has a whistleblower case.

But I’d venture that almost all of this shit, as bad as it is, is legally in the clear, which means no whistleblower case.

Which means the person who complains about it ends up on the street, kiss their 20+ years of a job goodbye, good luck finding another in a town like Clint, TX, which has a 25% poverty rate and very few jobs…

In all seriousness. I worked a lot of years in and around the military and government, those gray areas where you think you would have a whistleblower case… 99% of the time, you’re wrong. If the lawyers have cleared it, it’s golden.

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There are a lot of BP, ICE, and HHS agents near these kids who ought to be in jail. Rejecting donated supplies when the facilities are filthy is a humanitarian crime. Those sadistic agents need to be taken out and away from those kids. Those children will grow up remembering how they where treated and they will hate America. They would be right to do so. This right here is how a terrorist is made.

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Nope. Rejecting them is solidly in line with federal rules and regulations regarding gifts.

You can’t just walk up to a fed and hand them something, there’s a whole process involving lots of lawyers and shit to make it legal.

It’s tied to the ethics rules preventing federal employees from receiving bribes (and yes, a whole bunch of fresh, unopened packages of diapers can be a bribe, as, unaccounted for, those could be simply taken for resale by employees, thus monetizing it).

I get your point and I am not honestly sure if you are making it in an abstract sense or not (assuming yes). What is happening IS child abuse, period. Whether or not it has been cleared by some flunky lawyer is irrelevant. It’s the same bullshit excuse as the nazi guards who said they were just following orders. I hate to bring it to that because we are not systematically murdering these people but the mindset and lack of responsibility and accountability is similar.

If it isn’t “technically” a whisteblower claim then so be it. I am not qualified to determine that, although if it isn’t then it certainly should be. If something this horrific doesn’t qualify for whistleblower protections then it seems to me that we have a whole other problem. That all aside – video evidence of what is going on would go a LONG way to stopping it.

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Ironic. :slight_smile:

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