Discussion: Bob Dylan Awarded Nobel Prize In Literature

Well deserved and long overdue. Congratulations, Bob.

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What a genius and a great American. I would venture a guess he personally could give a rat’s butt about getting awards at this point but it’s gratifying to me as someone who has memorized, performed, and cherished many of his songs. Bringing it all back home, Blonde on Blonde and Highway 61 Revisited: all masterpieces, of their time and also transcending it.

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Just what Bob needs - 930,000 more thousand dollars.

With all of the incredibly brilliant and important literature out there I’m disappointed as hell in the committee.

I love Bob Dylan, but if I was going to give the Nobel to a songwriter I’d give it to Leonard Cohen.

No, I can’t handle this. Elena Ferrante should have gotten the Nobel for Literature before they ever did this.

And really, I do love Bob - he changed my entire life when I was about 13 and heard Like a Rolling Stone the first time. I own everything he ever recorded.

But no.

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World to US: Cut it with the ā€œmake it great againā€ crap and give us back the cool America we love.

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There is a nice piece in this month’s New Yorker about Leonard Cohen. Bob Dylan and he are mutual admirers of one another, and there’s an extended admiration by Dylan of Cohen in the piece. And there’s this anecdote by Cohen of Dylan:

"Dylan went on driving. After a while, he told Cohen that a famous songwriter of the day had told him, ā€œO.K., Bob, you’re Number 1, but I’m Number 2.ā€

Cohen smiled. ā€œThen Dylan says to me, ā€˜As far as I’m concerned, Leonard, you’re Number 1. I’m Number Zero.’ Meaning, as I understood it at the time—and I was not ready to dispute it—that his work was beyond measure and my work was pretty good.ā€ "

Cohen is great, and I don’t want to make any invidious comparisons. But I agree with Rushdie on this one.

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I haven’t seen what Rushdie said. I am a fan of his writing.

To me Cohen is a more literary writer - all his songs are little books. Bob wrote a strange kind of Bob poetry that is deeply compelling.

But honestly I wouldn’t give the damn Nobel for Literature to either one.

Not with the books out there I’ve read in the last few years that were culminations of important bodies of work.

From the AP:

British author Salman Rushdie, whose name is often mentioned in the Nobel literature speculation, called Dylan ā€œthe brilliant inheritor of the bardic tradition. Great choice.ā€

But Scottish novelist Irvine Welsh snarled: ā€œI’m a Dylan fan, but this is an ill conceived nostalgia award wrenched from the rancid prostates of senile, gibbering hippies.ā€

I suspect the reaction is going to be just like those two: either love it or hate it.

I love literature with my entire being. I was born with books in both hands and I was reading by 3. I was also a hippie with real hippie bona fides and like I said, Bob Dylan changed my life.

But I don’t consider his body of work to be Literature.

I’m 70 years old. This morning, my husband woke me up before my alarm went off.

ā€œBob Dylan just won a Nobel Prize.ā€

ā€œFor what?ā€

ā€œLiterature.ā€

ā€œOkay. That means it’s not a joke. He deserves it.ā€

ā€œYeah. Go ahead and go back to sleep. I just knew you’d want to hear about that.ā€

I couldn’t go back to sleep. But that was just the beginning of an otherwise outstanding news day. Things are going to be all right.

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:laughing:

I knew my position on this would be as popular as my opinion of the book that won the Pulitzer, The Goldfinch, which I simply couldn’t read because it was so bad and everyone I knew was reading it and raving about it.

So I guess I will let y’all celebrate in full accord and peace out.

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Yes, but I’ll never forgive him for writing Trump’s theme song, Mr. Tangerine Man. Well, I suppose that after Nov. 8, Trump ain’t gonna work on anybody’s farm no more.

(I know, I know. I need to step away from the Reply button now.)

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One of the few times I disagree with you. I, too, read at age 3 and have spent my entire life with, as my mother disparaging said all the time, my ā€œnose in another goddamned book.ā€ So we started at a similar place.

Where we differ is that the first time I heard Bob Dylan, while sitting on the floor at a friend’s house in 1964, I said, ā€œI wish that guy would get somebody else to sing his stuff, because that’s not singing. He sounds awful. But those words – that’s just profoundly good poetry.ā€

As so many do when we are young, I thought I sounded clever and intelligent in trying to convey my genuine admiration for the words this man had strung together that allowed us to hear them in spite of his seriously irritating voice. And in fact, he was so good at writing that poetry, I became one of many who over time forgot that ā€œhe sounded awfulā€ because his lyrics took over all the senses and made what he was saying great.

I like the article in WaPo, where the people who awarded the prize explained why they regard his work as fitting for the Literature award.

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It’s a lovely comment and like I said, I’m sure reactions will be either / or.

He certainly touched me I remember exactly where I was the first time I heard him. I was younger than 13, probably 12, and I was talking on the phone and listening to the radio in my room and that song came on and I dropped the phone to listen.

I felt like he was talking directly to me in a language only a few could understand and I was one.

I love the man’s songs. It’s just a matter of how you want to view Literature.

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I think probably a whole bunch of us are basically on the same page as far as regarding the work of people like Dylan and Cohen as great wordsmiths, but some of us are okay with that being classified as ā€œliteratureā€ and some of us aren’t. I’m good with that.

It’s absolutely delightful to me that there is one discussion today, among people I respect, where we actually have a disagreement and none of us wants to have the others killed or imprisoned or otherwise wiped off the earth. It’s been awhile since there’s been a topic where real differences of opinion are interesting and welcome and not signalling the End of the Earth.

Well, I don’t think that everything Dylan wrote is a masterpiece - listen to Tight Connection to My Heart if you doubt it - but I love his stuff. I was lucky in that I didn’t ā€œgetā€ him in the 60s - just a tad too young - and rediscovered him in the 80s, listening to Blood on the Tracks, and then filling in from there. I think he’s a worthy choice.

But you know, it’s a big world, and we can like different things. Like Democratic candidates for President, for example :wink:

My son sent this to me this afternoon.

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I thought the line, ā€œJewels and binoculars hang from the head of the muleā€ was about Trump?

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ā€œI felt like he was talking directly to me in a language only a few could understand and I was one.ā€

Sounds like small-L literature to me.

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