Discussion for article #224296
We donât even recognize the existence of the U.S Government. But how dare they stop paying us?
Grifters, the lot of them.
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âIf thereâs a criminal problem, then call the sheriff.â
But what if the criminal problem is the sheriff?
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
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DamnâŚbeat me to itâŚ
We hate Big Government, but love the money.
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The sheriffs have some reason to complain. The sheriffâs have to patrol federal land. County budgets are tight. The federal government doesnât pay local taxes. The contracts are intended to help make up the difference. By the way lots of small towns pay sheriffs and their deputies to patrol their streets rather than go to the expense of having their own police forces. I think more reporting is needed to understand this story
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"WAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH, the flow of government cheese that I hypocritically take while railing against government handouts is stopping!!
TYRRRRRRRRRRRRRRANNNNNNNNNNNNNYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!"
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You mean to tell me that challenging the authority of the federal government might have consequences?:
ââŚas the duly elected sheriffs of our respective counties, we will enforce the rights guaranteed to our citizens by the Constitution. No federal official will be permitted to descend on our constituents and take from them what the Bill of Rightsâin particularly Amendment IIâhas given them. We, like you [Mr. President], swore a solemn oath to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States, and we are prepared to trade our lives for the preservation of its traditional interpretation.â
âLetter to President Obama from Utah Sheriffâs Association - March, 2013
No soup for you.
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"Eldredge, the county sheriff, traced the problem back to the 1980âs "
So, itâs all Ronald Reaganâs fault?
Say it ainât so! Saint Ronnie did something âUn-Americanâ?!?!?!
Is it just me or does sagebrush seem to bring out the stupid in people?
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"No federal official will be permitted to descend upon our constituents and take from them what the Bill of Rights-in particular Amendment II-has given them."
18 USC CHAPTER 115 - TREASON, SEDITION, AND SUBVERSIVE ACTIVITIES Sec. 2384. Seditious conspiracy If two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof, they shall each be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both.
Insurrection Act of 1807 10 USC § 333 - Interference with State and Federal law
The President, by using the militia or the armed forces, or both, or by any other means, shall take such measures as he considers necessary to suppress, in a State, any insurrection, domestic violence, unlawful combination, or conspiracy, if itâ
(1) so hinders the execution of the laws of that State, and of the United States within the State, that any part or class of its people is deprived of a right, privilege, immunity, or protection named in the Constitution and secured by law, and the constituted authorities of that State are unable, fail, or refuse to protect that right, privilege, or immunity, or to give that protection; or
(2) opposes or obstructs the execution of the laws of the United States or impedes the course of justice under those laws.
Guess whoâs going to win this one. [Hint: See the history of the United States 1861-1865 for a clue.]
The sheriffs of Utah may not understand the legal language, but they really ought to have a look at that âor by any other meansâ there in the Insurrection Act.
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âIf thereâs a criminal problem, then call the sheriff⌠who will then look the other way as our high school friends and neighbors continue to do whatever the fuck they want to do on federal lands, and we wonât do shit to control them, because a Mooslim from Kenya is in the White House.â
FIFY, you hypocritical assholes.
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Dang, you mean to tell me the BLM and those nice, regular Gummint checks that I use to buy my ammo and my Obama targets are somehow related??
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But the Sheriffs werenât meeting their end of the bargain. Theyâve got no one to blame but themselves for that.
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You quit with the French, pal!
Anyway, one of these is going to end in gunfire. Can we just get it over with, please?
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You might be right, but I didnât read where the sheriffs werenât doing their jobs. I read the agencies had concerns over the âdeliverablesâ and supporting documentation, but nobody said they werenât actually providing the services. That could mean anything from they want more services for less money to they want their paperwork filled out in a timely fashion. I also read the BLM says it is negotiating, but the sheriffs said they arenât. In fact the impression I got is the sheriffs want to negotiate. There is absolutely no indication that these particular sheriffs are anti-BLM. There is more to this story than is being reported here.
Well, SOMEBODY has to keep an eye on the loons⌠If the Sheriff wonât do itâŚ
And besides, some of this may well be paperwork issues.
I think you are reading more into this story than is in it.
OK, in which case, just like any other job in the world, there need to be âdeliverablesâ to actually prove that you did the job. Time cards, reports, whatever.
âI totally did the work but I canât prove itâ wouldnât work for most people - donât know why you think it should work for the Sheriffs.
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I donât see any more to this story than contract for services negotiations. Where is there any indication that these sheriffs are supporters of law breakers like the Bundy family.
Why would BLM want to negotiate with these piss ants.
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