Discussion: Black Leaders Forged Bond With Trump To Pass Reform Bill: 'People Are Still Mad At Us'

[system1]

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[riverstreet]

Claiming “Dr King would agree with me” is a sign of a weak argument. Not quite as bad as “some of my best friends are…” but close.

[imkmu3]

“I believe with all my heart, if Dr. Martin Luther King was alive, he would have been in that meeting,” Jackson said. “And he would have been advocating for the voiceless instead of playing politics and personality games.”

Mmm…we agree to disagree.

[velcro]

I think the only reason not to work with Trump on this is that he might get some political benefit from it. However, if someone thinks Trump is a racist, working with him on this will not change his or her mind. If this bill had a real chance of helping Tump, or other Republicans, get reelected, it might be a different story. But that is not the case.

If Trump decided to support (place Democratic priority here), should we pass up the opportunity because it is Trump?

As far as MLK,

Loving Your Enemies

When the opportunity presents itself for you to defeat your enemy, that is the time which you must not do it. There will come a time, in many instances, when the person who hates you most, the person who has misused you most, the person who has gossiped about you most, the person who has spread false rumors about you most, there will come a time when you will have an opportunity to defeat that person. It might be in terms of a recommendation for a job; it might be in terms of helping that person to make some move in life. That’s the time you must do it.

I’m sure he would have his limits, but if “helping the person make some move in life” is also helping thousands of other people, then it seems like the what he would do.

[ekcambridge]

That last line in the quote seemed contradictory or a typo until I read it in context at the link.

“You must do it” means “you must love them when you have the opportunity to hurt them”.

Also, reading an MLK sermon reminds me how base our national discourse has become. He was able to illustrate powerful, complex philosophy with deceptively simple turns of phrase.

[pluckyinky]

Oh, please. This is all about the opioid crisis now that middle class white people are starting to get drawn up in the dragnet of mass incarceration.

[susanintheoc]

Cynicism is always warranted when making a deal with the devil. Long-time cynic who unfortunately is nearly always correct.

[pmaroneyb]

@velcro

As far as MLK,

Thanks for that link, I had not read it before. This sermon fits well with a article linked on another thread about deprogramming cult memebers–the cult under discussion was the trumpers of course. Many of us ( @pluckyinky ? @tena?) found the prescription of caring for the trumpers with their biàs, fear, raacism, homophobia, etc., very difficult. This MLK essay helps.

[yskov]

100%.

[mondfledermaus]

@riverstreet

Claiming “Dr King would agree with me” is a sign of a weak argument. Not quite as bad as “some of my best friends are…” but close.

Besides the bill is a nothingburger, in no way it threatens the well-being of the Prison-Industrial complex

[DuckmanGR]

Setting up “for review” or having “the possibility of” with regards to trump means trusting him to do the right thing for no benefit to himself.

Most likely this is a fools bargain, but you never know, a deal with an utterly worthless, corrupt, narcissistic lying braggart and bully, what could go wrong?