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Is he baiting Republicans?
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Bush is leading because heās the only candidate they can advance with a straight face. He has ZERO chance at winning a general election. I agree about Christie and the āflash in the panā thing but I differ from President Clinton in that I think that flash was long ago. Heās not a serious candidate.
Iāll bet the GOP thing boils down to a Romney / Bush fight similar to the Obama / Clinton one. The two GOPāers appeal to different segments of that party so it will get ugly. Wonāt matter much. Neither of them can win a nationwide election.
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Honestly, they ought to have Bill Clinton take a back seat to his wifeās campaign when it comes to strategy. He really has no finesse in managing her and can, as heās done in the past, insert foot. Just by mentioning āThe Man with No Last Nameā ā¢, he just elevated the asshole unnecessarily in my humble opinion.
Great President, Bad Campaign Manager.
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I canāt see Bush getting anywhere near a GOP nod because of his stance on immigration. Itās such a foaming at the mouth issue for so many RWNJs that it seems he would lack a sufficient base to get past the primaries. If he did somehow get past the primaries, he would do much better with a pool of DINOs who donāt get all worked up about those cataloupe-calved, ebola carrying Others.
I never thought RMoney could get as far as he did in the primaries, seriously. I thought the boneheads in the GOTP would never put him up as their candidate. So stranger things have happened.
From where Iām sitting, it looks more like a reach around 
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Former President Bill Clinton warned former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton that if she does decide to run for president in 2016, former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush would be a real threat among potential 2016 Republican primary candidates while New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie (R) would be more of a flash in the pan.
More like a grease fire.
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As long as it isnāt raised during the primaries as an issue, then Bush will do fine. And, with perhaps the exception of Paul, I think you will find that the GOP is going to lose a lot of their interest in discussing immigration this year. Funny how that works.
Quite frankly I almost think that they are bringing Romney into the primaries just so the GOP can say they had primaries instead of just anointing Bush. I think you will see folks like Carson pushed way into the back, and given very little press time from the right wing media.
The Tea Party lost in 2014. Their two highest profile targetsā¦Graham and McConnell, easily dispatched their TP challengers. Yes, they did replace Cantor, but I fail to see how that can be viewed as a major victory, given that the nutcase that won is going right to the rear of the back benches where he will have absolutely zero impact on things.
And now the establishment wing is going to go forward as if the TP never existed.
āI never thought RMoney could get as far as he did in the primaries, seriously. I thought the boneheads in the GOTP would never put him up as their candidate. So stranger things have happened.ā
Romney āwonā the primary in 2012 simply because he had a huge advantage regarding funding. So he quite literally spent millions money bombing a bunch of wannabes and also rans. Not exactly the stuff that strong candidate stories are made, but it was no surprise he won. That was a given going into the election cycleā¦it was Romneyās to lose.
The fact that it took as long as it did to vanquish them, combined with the fact that the ring wing kept pulling Romney further to their side during the general, says volumes about how weak his candidacy was within the GOP. And not much has changed to improve his standing, either.
He is there simply to give the appearance that Bush has a competitor.
Bill, I like you, but please sit down and shut up. Hillaryās got this.
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I agree with your overall assessment. I just remember President Clinton during Hillaryās first run really bringing more problems to her campaign then was necessary. Most were self-inflicted wounds. Bubba has a tenacity for gab. He just couldnāt stand in the shadows like a presumptive good first husband. I voted for Bill as President. And if Hillary is our nominee, which at this point looks to be the case, Iāll vote for her as a loyal Democrat. The thought of a Republican in the WH makes my skin crawl and nauseates me.
Back in '08 in MI, we had the stinging alternative of voting for Hillary, Chris Dodd or Kucinich in the Democratic primary, because Obama, Biden, Edwards, et al. took their names off the ballot due to MI moving up the primary without National Democratic approval, which rubbed many voters the wrong way. Similar shit happened in Florida. If youāll remember, Hillary fought for those superdelegates at the convention and they ended up halving the difference if I recallā¦and the acrimony was palatable for awhile among MI Democratic voters as well as most at the convention.
My point beingā¦Hillary being the presumptive candidate was never a good strategy and Bill Clinton injecting himself way to often to my liking, always made it seem as though she was always the perfunctory and inevitable leading nominee. It ultimately contributed to helping her sink her campaign. Whereas Obama was always āThe Little Engine that Couldāā¦the underdog. The whole mess was a real turn-off. If I vote for Hillaryā¦Iām not voting for a third Bill Clinton presidencyā¦as much as some would like that to be the case. He can take a backseat for now as far as Iām concerned. His cacheā is in helping her raise money. Thatās what heās good at these days among the wealthy elite. I hope heās involvedā¦just not as her primary spokesperson. It gets tiresome quick.
Michelle Obama was not her husbandās campaign spokesperson. I expect Bill to follow form and be āthe good little manā behind the scenes. I know he loves the limelight, but really, is that too much to expect this time around? Probably.
now ole bill wouldnāt do somethin like that would heā¦hahahaahahahahahaā¦even better watch out for ole shit for brains sarah palin she is a real threatā¦to our sanity or funny bone
Most definitely. Bill is what he is, and that is perhaps one of the most ravenous political animals on the scene. He loves campaigning, so there is very little chance that he is going to sit quietly in the shadows. Nor do I think he should. Remember the 2012 convention? His speech at that was one of the best he has ever done. No way you keep that sort of asset in the back pocket. Instead, you just have to game it out around the problems he also creates.
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Exactly. Obama had this same meme on all the interwebs during his campaign. āI Got Thisā. Emphatic confidence.
Every time I hear Bill talking about Hillaryās run, I think heās trying to take over and dominate. Its a real turnoff. Not a very nice picture for a woman running to be the first female as President of the United States, whoās more than capable of standing on her own two feet. When he says somethingā¦its as if heās injecting unnecessary doubt as to whether sheās capable of doing that. It comes off as patronizing bullshit when he goes after any potential rivals. Defend her if you mustā¦but stay out of determining the overall strategy for her campaign. Thatās what they pay others to do.
Bush is actually not leading in the polls, Romney is. LOL
The situation in 2012 was a completely different thing as he was supporting Obama and his policies as the Explainer in Chief. You may want a third term Bill Clinton presidency. I donāt. I value his political chops and his behind the scenes experience, all as helpful input, but heās not the one that will be sitting in the Oval Office this time around, nor do I want to hear his name every time Hillaryās name is brought up. Its actually more of an insult to her. She can do this thing. She shouldnāt be elected because he was President. I know thatās a difficult conceptā¦but there it is. That matters greatly. Hillary hasnāt even announced her candidacy yet and heās already all over the place. Less is more in my book when it comes to Bill Clinton.
Iāve been saying for MONTHS that the Republican ticket will be: Jeb Bush/Chris Christie
Jeb Bush because he is ānot the stupid Bushā and is quite a good speaker, is beloved of the Oligarchs (because he IS ONE) AND he has a Latino wife and speaks fluent Spanish (peel off some of those Latino voters.)
Chris Christie because he will relish the role of ābull in the china shopā to keep the Tea-Baggers, Racists, and Ammo-sexuals happy by being a total ass-wipe the entire campaign (and by doing so make Jeb look like the āmature, responsible oneā.)
Mark my words, this WILL be the Republican ticket in 2016 and it will be very, very difficult to beat.
They will have $2 Billion in backing of the John-Bircher-Billionaires, a House, Senate, and SCOTUS that will do their bidding gleefully, and a MSM that will fawn all over them like giddy teenagers.
The ONLY thing that will beat them is TURNOUT and look for the State houses under control of the Republicans to radically ramp-up their voter-suppression efforts (with the support of the SCOTUS) to put a stop to THAT.
āThis is how Democracy dies: With Thunderous Applause.ā
The preferred candidate to run against isnāt relevant unless he thinks Democrats can do something to affect the Republican nomination. Claire McCaskill famously goaded Missouri Republicans into picking Todd Akin as her opponent, so itās not impossible, but generally thereās nothing one party can do to pick the other partyās candidate. So prepare to run against all the candidates until they drop out, which means lots of unused oppo research, but thatās better than waiting until the opponent is definite.
I think the Clintonās would love to have Jeb be the nominee, and are blowing smoke. They know the Bush name is not only still toxic, but voids the criticism that Clinton is a dynastic candidate from the past.
But Jeb wonāt be the nominee. Heās loathed by the right wing to a degree that not even Romney was, and he doesnāt look like heās going to try and kiss up either. Heās told himself that gathering up the cash and campaign team and acting as if heās already the nominee will make it inevitable, and he wonāt have to get down in the muck with the rest of the field. Itās already falling apart as a strategy, but I donāt think heās interested in working hard enough to get the nomination any other way.