Discussion: Biden: Sanders Will Need To Be 'More Aggressive' In Reining In Supporters

Actually, I think when he looks in a mirror, what he thinks he sees is Che Guevara.

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I think that is what the bros can’t handle. They have mommy issues.

You’re more right than you think. This is what Sanders wrote in 1973:

“How absurd: all of life is one and if we want to know, for example, how
our nation can napalm children in Vietnam—AND NOT CARE—it is necessary
to go well beyond ‘politics.’ We have got to get into the areas of
feeling and emotion, pain and love—and how people related to each other
and how people shut off their feelings. And all of this takes us way
back to our mommies and to the way they dealt with us when we were
infants.”

Bernie Sanders is putting the blame for the use of napalm in Vietnam ultimately but squarely on “our mommies.”

Ironically, he wrote this in 1969:

“The Revolution is coming and it is a very beautiful revolution. It is
beautiful because, in its deepest sense, it is quiet, gentle, and all
pervasive. It KNOWS. What is most important in this revolution will
require no guns, no commandants, no screaming “leaders,” and no vicious
publications accusing everyone else of being counter-revolutionary.”

And here’s the tell:

“The revolution comes when two strangers smile at each other, when a
father refuses to send his child to school because schools destroy
children, when a commune is started and people begin to trust each
other, when a young man refuses to go to war, and when a girl pushes
aside all that her mother has ‘taught’ her and accepts her boyfriend’s
love.”

For young Bernie, the revolution wasn’t just about stopping the war
or living on communes or ending the soul-sucking horrors of becoming
educated—it was also about getting into the pants of that young girl to
give her some of his “love.” Flipping the bird to her uptight
middle-class mother was just a bonus.

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Yes. Well said.

Let add something, though. If you want to understand one of the main points of anger, look at what really brought Bernie’s campaign up into the spotlight: Free college for everyone.

That’s huge. Not being able to afford college these days is a death sentence on having a life, a family and a career. The United States has over $1 trillion in college debt currently (it’s actually closer to $1.2 trillion, if I remember the numbers accurately). That is beyond staggering.

It’s wrong, nobody wants to talk about it, and it is a critical social issue that needs to be fixed. Not even “Oh, gee, it would be nice to do something about that,” it is a critical infrastructure problem to our society and our economy that NEEDS to be fixed. And fast. Not “maybe sometime in the 2030s.”

There are other issues, but that is fundamentally what launched Bernie. And then he went all shotgun on a bunch of other issues to keep his name in the spotlight … .because he doesn’t have a coherent plan to deliver free college for everyone.

There are certainly other issues that can be pointed out (a rational job market that isn’t a police state, healthcare, ending large tracts of the failed drug war, affordable housing and having a stable place to live a life, etc.). And these are just some of the domestic highlights.

Where Bernie has really gone over the edge is in pretending that nobody is trying to solve any of these problems, and pretending that solutions that other people have been working on for decades are suddenly his … or irrelevant while he casually promises unicorns.

There is a lot of anger, and easy to understand if you consider it for a few minutes. It’s just that Bernie isn’t offering solutions that exist in the real world, and he’s vacuumed up a lot of low-information children (in mind & body) who can’t be bothered to logic the way through the mechanisms to accomplish these solutions. They just want to hear “Problem solved. Everybody’s gonna get laid.” and then not have to actually work for or pay for it.

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I tried posting the NYT article to facebook, but guess what happened? The powerful headline of the article “Sanders isn’t afraid to harm Clinton’s Bid” was lost, and the frst line of my post read something about DWS being such a meanie… WTF!?!

Indeed.

He really wrote this? O my god. That’s the worst blather I have ever encountered from a wannabe revolutionary.

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Where Bernie has really gone over the edge is in pretending that nobody is trying to solve any of these problems

It’s consistent with the heroic iconoclast warrior/preacher image he has of himself. He’s never been a coalition-builder; after he left the mayor’s office for Congress, he refused to endorse or work with the progressives he left behind in Burlington. And when a member of the local progressive press pressed him on why, Sanders’ response was “Go fuck yourself.”

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He really wrote this?

The notion that he’s been “fully vetted” by the MSM and that the Republicans won’t be able to lay a hand on him because he’s so fucking righteous is comical.

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This was a smart, well thought-out statement from Joe Biden, playing the “elder statesman” / “above the fray” role, and playing it well. Nice job, Joe.

I have always known that but o my god.

That’s about all I can say - if he wasn’t 14 when he wrote it, god help us all.

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serving in the Senate,

Some idiot Sandernista was castigating Boxer here yesterday for being a do-nothing non-progressive shill, in obvious ignorance of the fact that she’s been consistently one of the more liberal members of the Democratic caucus, with a record that in a variety of ways—especially wrt to Iraq—is notably more progressive than Clinton’s.

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I’m going to get a nice hit of endorphins at the Y pool today, and I’ll be able to cope with unfolding hysteria. It’s making me nuts.

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littlegirlblue - that’s a good idea. This is the 4th presidential election I’ve followed online. I was furious for most of the Bush Administration. I cried for 4 days nonstop when Kerry lost.

I finally got offline and stayed off until I felt like I could put it in perspective. The internet is not a reflection of the reality of the country we live in. It’s not worth it to get upset about what you read online. Honestly. I was trying for months to tell Bernie supporters this so they wouldn’t do what they’ve done to themselves = start believing the bubble logic where everyone agrees with them and they think things are like they are at Salon allllll over America.

They are not.

It’s ok. Bernie is over, Trump is toast, Hillary is the next president. :smile:

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Alright…let’s address the between the line message here.

The mere fact that Biden is making this statement is sending the message that he IS worried about party unity, and specifically, that the cause of the disruption sits squarely on Sanders’ shoulders.

And, the actual words used here are poorly chosen, in my opinion.

"That’s not Bernie,”

No…this is precisely Bernie. This is exactly the same sort of tactic we have seen time and time again. Gets caught stealing voter data from the DNC database? He uses that launch a lawsuit, fund raise and start attacking the DNC for treating him unfairly.

Gets caught with 2 of his senior aides playing agent provocateur inciting a riot…a riot, lets remember, because he failed at overturning the February election results…he uses that to launch into even stronger rhetoric condemning the entire Democratic party as corrupt and cry for his supporters to wrest the power from every Democrat in the country.

It is exactly Bernie. And I think, in hindsight, we made a grievous error by not lowering the boom when he got caught stealing data and impersonating union leaders. Instead, we treated him with kid gloves…barely even a scolding in the first and not a word in the second…which was…rewarding bad behavior. So he has continued with it.

Fundraising on false claims of endorsements. Going extremely negative after he sworn not to. Trying to create faux endorsements and photo ops with the Pope, trying to negotiate a debate with Trump back in March on Fox. Over 600 pages of campaign fiance violations for April alone…on top of over 200 pages of violations for March. And why shouldn’t he? He is suffering no personal negative consequences for his actions, quite the opposite.

This veiled message will be entirely ignored by Bernie. He has long known that the White House is going to come out against him, and has already factored it into his plans. He has zero respect for the Democratic leadership, instead he has outright disdain. Remember, he was publicly advocating that Obama be primaried in 2012.

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Yeah I agree it’s precisely Bernie, daveyjones64. But I also think it’s probably for the best to let him run in ever tighter circles until he bites his own ass.

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He isn’t helping that situation since apparently Bernie believes that shit too.

I have never liked him but I did not realize what a nasty vindictive person he is. I knew he was grumpy and devoid of humor but shit, those are his good characteristics it turns out.

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Yes. Let’s look at that, because it is quite revealing of a few “conventional wisdom” pieces that have been floating around.

Hillary already had her plan for dealing with the expense of college put together. Bernie took a look at it, and decided to go from “debt free” college to “free college” entirely. It didn’t take a rocket scientist to look around and see that his version of the OWS message was going to be most effective at college aged people…so he took a Hillary point and wrapped it up with pixie dust and promised them free college entirely. Sort of like going into a rural agrarian area and promising 40 acres and a mule for everyone…for free!

So here is a first meme…Sanders pulled Hillary to the left. No…actually, Hillary pulled Sanders to the left on this, as he went from no plan to devising a plan that would be specifically to the left of Hillary.

That meme continues on other issues…most notably guns but also BLM, where it took BLM protesters taking over his stage on at least 2 occasions, for Bernie to decide to get on that bandwagon, too.

Want more proof that Sanders is merely pandering for nearly all of his key positions, including the free college one? As a sitting Senator how many times has he submitted a bill for free college? Precisely zero. Same in the House. His “Too Big to Fail” bill,that he introduced is a nice sounded title with absolutely no substance within. Numerous actual financial regulators have come forth and said the same thing. When presented with a question about one of his core campaign planks…he reveals he hasn’t a clue about either the actual law, Dodd/Frank,or about how to actually go about breaking up a bank. Zip, Nada.

All of this is to point out one of the second misconception, “conventional wisdom” memes…that Bernie is “authentic”, above politics as usual, a “real guy”. Nothing of the sort. It reveals that Bernie is as much of a panderer as the next one, if not more so. And he puts almost zero effort into learning about the issues that make him so “authentic”. Why? Because they are merely vehicles to get him votes.

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Concise and to the point.

I have seen this in Latin America…the whole “jefe” syndrome has some parallels in this. This is why I love the spunk of people like chammy, yourself and others here.

With these fuckers, sometimes one has to say,

“Sin que ni para que (without rhyme or reason)
But you have used up your minutes with ME”

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O my god yes. They run totally fantasy based campaigns. But it makes sense the MSM would find that authentic since they run fantasy based news outlets.

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This is not snark. Once the prohibitions on lying were weakened, the “news” became “cartoons for people over the age of 12”

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