Discussion: Ben Stein

Oh, dear. Let us hope that you aren’t a history teacher at a mostly black school in Somewhere, USA. You and Stein could benefit from a few facts. Violent crime rates are the lowest in 50 years and falling. Drug use rates are the same for whites and blacks, but whites benefit from white privilege and supremacy so that they rarely serve time for their drug crimes. What white society has deemed “underclass” (which is outmoded and should have gone the way of “superpredator”) becomes “working poor” when poor white people are labeled.

According to Stein, first there was slavery and then black people started to succeed and then they started taking drugs. If you believe that nonsense, get thee to a library, pronto. You need to read about the origins of mankind, which started in Africa. You need to read about the slave system in the Americas and how it is the foundation of capitalism in this country. You need to read about Reconstruction and how it came to a resounding end. You can thank all your northern, antislavery buddies and anti-black southerners who tired of their black compatriots and said, Jim Crow, it’s your turn. Let the lynching and property stealing and segregation begin.

Oh, why am I bothering. Although I do encourage you to at least read Ta-Nehisi Coates’s “The Case for Reparations.”

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Ben Stein: Real Problem With Anti-Semitism is “Self-Defeating Ostjuden.”

Headline re-written for plausible historical analogy.

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This Southern liberal doesn’t gravitate towards that belief. Moreover, it is offensively laughable to say that “northern/eastern liberals being the only ones who have fully embraced the idea”. One of the major obstacles we have on race in this country is that because of the South’s history, it makes it very easy for liberals/progressives in the rest of the country to look at systemic and cultural racism as a problem that is almost exclusively a Southern Problem and look down sneeringly from their high horse. It’s rare you actually look in your own backyard.

If you think I’m wrong, research the SCOTUS decisions that ruled that Northern school systems couldn’t be forced to integrate schools because segregated schools had only occurred due to de facto segregation, not de jure as had been the case in the South. Nothing has appreciably changed in the subsequent 40 years. See Detroit and the surrounding suburbs. See Cinncinati and the string of suburbs that run north of it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milliken_v._Bradley

Oh, and Herbert Stein (Ben’s father) was from Detroit. Ben Stein was born and raised in Washington, D.C. which is no one’s idea of cultural Southern (for starters, you get looked at sideways if you order sweet tea). Then, he went off to Columbia and then Yale. He’s ALL yours.

This is not a “who is worse” argument. It’s a “it’s not just a Southern problem so shut the (bleep) up with statements that imply that it is”.

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Part of the problem is the reporter on this article. I’ve written to let her know her reporting on batshit crazy racists (who should understand prejudices better than he lets on) serves no purpose.

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And what did George W. Bush do: nothing! He could have addressed the issue of rampant white underclass drug addiction in the red states, and he just ignored it completely.

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Institutional racism is what keeps most ignorant people thinking the way Ben Stein does. When people are force fed pictures of blacks committing crimes and blacks doing drugs, they lump all black people under the same umbrella. I work in a very diverse office and all of the black people I work with are all pretty well educated (some highly educated) family people with children, some have homes, some live in apartments, have more than one car, are trying to do the best for their children and family and struggling like the rest of us white folks in the office. Maybe if the right wing media focused a little more on your average black folks, we’d all be better off.

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Your nick is so apropos of how I feel on a daily basis.

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What a fucking moron.

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I agree. A racist is a racist no matter where he was born or lives.

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Wow, Ben Stein really is “The Amazing Racist.” The issue isn’t skin pigmentation, the issue is poverty, and it affects people of all races. People get stuck in generational cycles of poverty, because they have children they can’t afford to raise, who end up with no prospects, and adopt dead-end lifestyles. And anyone who lumps all “drugs” into a single category is just plain ignorant. If someone can consume beer or pot without addiction, it’s not holding them down.

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I believe that you missed everything that I said.

I remember watching a program about a decade and a half ago about how Middle-Class Blacks also fled the cities leaving poor Blacks behind, and what this fostered and often festered was a really horrible situation where it was difficult for young Black men to find role models. The program, which was on PBS at the time, was written and produced by a Black man.

Then you have the situation of men like Al Sharpton who abused the situation in order to gain power. There are numerous incidents where Sharpton played on Black victimhood in order to raise his status, sometimes even creating incidents in order to further his own agenda. These often backfired in the long run hurting the Black Communities he claimed to represent, but rarely hurting him.

Now, having pointed that out to you, as I said, that was the minor issue. That’s something that Bill Cosby and Aaron McGruder have tried to point out among others, and usually been shouted down by people like Sharpton.

NOW…the slave trade out of Africa was largely created due to a belief, based on some facts, that Native Americans made poor slaves. This was largely due to the fact that Native Americans were susceptible to European diseases while Africans were not. African slaves were brought over in deplorable conditions, usually crammed into ships which did not typically allow them much movement or much in the way of sustenance. IF the crew of the ship saw that someone died in their berth, they may have thrown them overboard. But not always. Hot tar was used to seal up wounds that festered on these trips.

Now, skip to the post-war era. Following the Civil War, White former slave owners were desperate to try and reenslave as many people as they could in order to work the plantations. This lead to a variety of measures including harsh anti-vagrancy laws which were often used to round up Blacks whether or not they had a home and force them to work as criminals on chain gangs. This was Constitutional thanks to the wording of the Thirteenth Amendment, and has morphed into what we have today with the private prison system in the country.

Laws were passed, of course, which included pole taxes and literacy tests designed to stop Blacks from voting. If a Black person voted, they could usually expect a visit from their local KKK chapter. In 1919, a Black WWI veteran dared to vote in a Georgia election and was found the next day hanging from a tree with his house little more than a cinder. According to local reports, the veteran met his end with dignity and courage. Additionally, the founder of one of the oldest Black owned newspapers in Georgia was gunned down for daring to open a newspaper.

Would you like me to go on? Would you like me to talk about how in Chicago in 1950 there were protests over attempts to move the local schools out of the neighborhoods and away from the children? Or about the issues that Blacks faced in Vermont?

I am well versed in our nation’s history. Simply because I refuse to ignore the internal problems within the Black Community does not mean that I am a racist or that I agree with Stein. I can also explain to you how the serf system lead to the slave system which lead to wage slavery and what we have today. And about how the man who defended segregated schools in the South actually believed in desegregation. You see, what I’m talking about is stuff that I’ve learned by paying attention over the last thirty years.

But, by all means, tell me again how stupid I am.

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Remember the President’s comment after Trayvon Martin was murdered. That went over real well. Yeah, Ben Stein, you would be so supportive of the President trying to address something you perceive as a black only problem.

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Daniel Patrick Moynihan wrote about problems with the black family as he saw it before drugs etc. Seems that slavery had something to do with it. But Mr. Moynihan, unlike Mr. Stein, actually seemed to care about solving the problems.

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The scourge of drugs and gangs is not limited to the poor or any particular racial demographic. On the other hand white people fancying themselves experts on the Black experience is a special skill practiced within the Caucasian demographic by those like Stein who occasionally come up for air from their own assholes in which their heads are buried.

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Thank you. Spot on and you have said it far better than I could have

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Of course he’s a racist prick but he’s not wrong in his assessment of the permanent black underclass. The problem is that it’s going to take someone much smarter then Mr. Stein to solve the problems of a society that practiced slavery for profit for two centuries.

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The real problem with Ben Stein is he’s a dick.

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Translation: “Why don’t these darkies realize how good they had it as slaves?”

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The real problem in this country is that people like Ben Stein and his father, both trained by Richard Nixon, were ever permitted to speak in public.

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