Discussion: Bamboozled! What Made Everyone Think Trump Was Changing On Immigration?

Why are you suckered in on this? Like his vague and non-exsitent policies on taxes and trade and ISIS and everything else, Trump HAS NO IMMIGRATION POLICY. He has feelings and talking points (sorry, TPM), catch phrases and applause lines. Nothing else.

You cannot analyze fog. There are no details in smoke. Trump is a blob about which people either like it or don’t. Nothing else.

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An excellent summation.

I just wonder how many truly ā€œun-decidedā€ voters re still out there? I can only think that the hard-core Drumpf supporters are never going to shift, and that the hard-core HRC supporters will never shift, so who’s left?

If voters cannot grasp the stark and terrifying differences between the two candidates, maybe they really aren’t mentally qualified to vote.

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Trump made a huge change on the only issue that matters in regard to immigration, what to do with the 11,000,000 people who are already here.

Trump is now for keeping the status quo, or keeping those people in the shadows as they are now. That is Trump said in his speech that it will not be for many years, after all the other parts of his immigration plan have been fully implemented, which he admits will be ā€œmany yearsā€, at least 10 years by normal analysis, even if he has 100% congressional cooperation, will he even discuss the 11,000,000.

It cannot be stressed how important is the issue of the 11,000,000 especially in light of the rest of his speech. That is nothing in the rest of his speech is really an issue. Net illegal immigration has been zero for the last 10 years thanks to a great part of enforcement. Illegal immigrants who commit crimes are under Obama aggressively deported.

This leaves the only real part of his immigration speech that has any policy to it is the 11,000,000 and his plan is NOTHING or NOTHING different even to be discussed for 10 years, or until if elected twice he is no longer president.

John Maynard Keynes said about the long run, ā€œThe only thing we know for certain about the long run is we are all dead.ā€ Maybe that is Trump’s plan, to wait for all the people here illegally to die of old age.

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Sen Jeff Sessions, An Immigration Hardliner, Even Says He Can Get Behind Softer Trump

Softer Trump can’t get behind Sessions without a little help.

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In regard to voters, Trump has two goals.

The first is getting 70% of the White vote. If he gets 70% of the White vote he wins. All the outreach stuff is designed to get Whites who do not like the N word but otherwise think of Blacks and Hispanics as ā€œthose peopleā€ to vote for Trump.

That is Trump has two problems when it comes to voters; his base hates other Americans more than they love their own children, want to screw the other guy more than help themselves, and is stuck with a GOP establishment that represents less than 1% of Americans on economic issues. Therefore Trump needs fear and hate.

In the alternative of getting votes, Trump needs, and on this he is helped by the media wanting to seem neutral, to get people who will never vote for Trump including many non-Whites, either not to vote or vote for a candidate with no chance to win. That is why Trump’s speech was all nonsense as far as policy, tough on ā€œthose peopleā€ and more importantly attack Hillary. In short with the exception of the change from deporting 11,000,000 people to keeping the status quo and not talking about it for 10 years, it was just an ordinary campaign speech.

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The one obvious thing that the timeline screams is that Trump knows how to get and hold media attention. i don’t think he has any intention of becoming president. He hijacked the process, all for his own vain narcicisstic pleasure.

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I have to say that I think the shoplifter came out looking best, this time.

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Not so sure that this is a safe assumption. Drumpf said that on ā€œday oneā€ he will deport all of the ā€œcriminal aliens.ā€ We need to remember that to him all of the undocumented immigrants – the ā€œillegalsā€ – are criminals. In the end, I do not see Drumpf making any distinction between an undocumented immigrant who is a drug dealer, a murderer, or a respectable householder. To Drumpf they are all criminals!

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And to hear the MSM on thisā€¦ā€œMan, that guy sure snookered us! Embarrassed us,humiliated us,and exposed us as being really,really crappy at our jobs. I just LOVE this guy!ā€

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It’s all a big game to garner media attention and votes. Part of the long con.

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No he’s running for president

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What made everyone think HO was changing? Wishful thinking on the part of the GOP. Media need to make the race more interesting. HO’s Hispanic advisors wondering how anyone could be so stupid when they support him.

No one else bought it.

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OK, Donny. Now where’s Melania’s explanation of her immigrant history promised a month ago?

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Well, he opened the door even further last night, if we are going to actually do a bit of analysis.

He basicaly stated an ideological test for anyone wanting to enter this country legally. And reiterated that we have the right to refuse anyone who doesn’t pass this nebulous ideological test.

But it gets even worse…

…he said he wants to deport Hillary. Born and raised American citizens can be deported, merely for running against Trump? And nobody even dares to question itā€¦ā€œTrump was just jokingā€. Right. Like he was joking about ā€œ2nd Amendment peopleā€ going after her for appointing judges after she is elected.

Its not a joke. And even if it was, showing the inability to grasp why you don’t make ā€œjokesā€ like that points to a seriously unhinged person. This IS how Trump thinks and imagines the world. And its the sort of USA he would want to implement.

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Re: those Hispanic leaders that were ā€˜viva trump’

I bet one U.S. dollar that a)the majority are male and b)they are so misogynistic, that it has never occurred to them that they too.aren’t allowed in the ā€˜he-man woman.haters ckub’.

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I am beginning to feel sorry for the media. When a candidate (and his surrogates) lie all the time with different lies, it’s difficult to find a kernel of truth. Add that to the fact that they were predisposed to ā€˜believe’ Kellyanne Conway and it was tailor made for Trump.

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Bamboozled! What Made Everyone Think Trump Was Changing On Immigration?

An overwhelming profit motivated desire to continue peddling false equivalencies and horse race narratives on the part of the media?

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This could have something to do with it…

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For the MSM, it’s a willingness to be bamboozled.

Apparently, even after listening to the speech last night, Lawrence O’Donnell refused to snap out of his Bamboozlement.

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