Good for the ADL! This issue needs their leadership and I feel like they have been MIA in recent years.
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D. Flying donkeys!
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Fuck Yeah, America! Land of Symbols!
Thank you for that link!
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Quebecâs Fleur de Lys also seems a bit distracting.
Yahoos.
What is this? Are you some gun nut?
âFreedom Friesâ is so 2003! LOL!
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But the sedition saltire was not the flag of that government. You want to put the stars and bars or one of its successors there? Go for it. But the battle flag does not represent a government, and it never did. It originally stood for the arms of insurrection, and then was revived almost 100 years later as the flag of defiant white supremacists.
Apples to apples, please.
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Where in the hell is the American flag on Alabama State Trooper uniforms and their vehicles?
WTF Alabama. SHOW ME!!!
They wear the coat of arms of France, the ancient coat of arms of Crown of Castile for Spain, the Union Flag of England and the battle flag of the Confederacy and not the flag of the United States of America. As far as I am concerned, You are a disgrace to the country and anyone in the military who fought to keep you safe. There are a lot of people who are buried at Arlington as proof of that. You should visit and pay homage to those heroes. They fought for that flag. WTF DID YOU DO FOR THAT FLAG???
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No, they say it was (briefly) the Confederate flag. The battle flag looks nothing like it. There are no bars on the battle flag, just a saltire. There are stars on both flags, it is true, but those on the stars and bars are in the canton. There is no canton on the battle flag.
This is not rocket surgery. Itâs time to get these few concepts down.
Thanks for the link; suddenly weâre seeing many such stories, and hallelujah. I continue to be happy to the point of delirium that we seem, at long last, to be approaching the moment when we can finally expose the pernicious 150-year disinformation campaign about the glorious Confederacy, and start to repair the damage done to this country by the purveyors of that poisonous myth. Please, please, let the moment not be just a passing one.
âŚadding, now that Iâve read the whole article: wow, such a wonderful job of connecting the Confederate mythmaking with the rightâs more recent such efforts, their insight about burrowing in at the local level, and their awareness of the value of the long game. It really is all of a piece. Long past time we took a lesson from them. Thanks again for that link.
EDIT: And I knew Mary had to be related to the great Tallulah, daughter of an Alabama politician. But Iâm guessing they didnât exactly have cozy chats about white supremacy:
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Heâs mocking them â notice his suggestion that they replace everything else with eagles. (Apologies if you were snarking yourselfâŚ)
I just didnât get the joke.
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You know what I just realized? 14th century France is on there, British invasion, Spanish conquistadores and the proud men under the KKK bannerâŚbut whoâs missing from the crowded field?
Yes thatâs right: How many brave sons and daughters gave so much not to have to bow down before the hateful Yankee flag in the War of Northern Aggression?
Nobody asked to erase history. Ridiculous argument, if youâre really serious. It was dreamed up in 1939 and it OBVIOUSLY can be changed or eliminated at any time.
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Iâm sure many Alabama state troopers have much more in common with the Klan than merely having a Confederate battle flag on their uniforms. Until itâs removed, let it serve as a constant reminder of that.
If you look at the coat of arms it isnât the flag of any of the governments that ruled over Alabama, but rather stylized versions thereof. The Union Jack never flew over Alabama, and it is sideways in the coat of arms. The US is represented by some sort of shield with vertical red and white stripes. The stars and bars were part of the second and third national flag of the confederacy. You are right that the battle flag was co-opted as a flag for white supremacists in the 1950s and 1960s. That should further the argument that this is legitimate history since the patch was designed two decades before that happened.
The coat of arms isnât history itself. It was designed to represent history, which it does. If you are asking they remove a symbol of the confederacy, you are asking that they either pretend the confederacy never happened by leaving the other four governments in the patch, or you are asking they stop recognizing their entire history under multiple governments. A patch with symbols from each of the governments that ruled over them is a good idea for a coat of arms. Just because one of those governments was evil doesnât mean you should ignore it when designing such a thing.
I would also add that the British flag they used is not the correct flag that was flown at the time, but is readily recognized by anyone as the British flag. The US is not symbolized by a flag, but instead by a red white and blue shield on top of all of the others, signifying its supremacy over the other governments.
Iâm kind of tired of this being framed as an âAfrican American issue.â Lots of people are offended, for a variety of reasons, by that flag. When the ADL asks to have it removed theyâre speaking for all of us.
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They should replace is with a Waffle House or Carlâs Jr. logo. Itâll speak to the people.
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