Discussion: Analysts: North Korea's 2nd Missile Test Puts Much Of US In Range

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Trump’s threats are as empty abroad as they are at home. I hope?

I rather doubt the North Koreans timed this in line with a major domestic failure for a US political party, but this has got to feel like an ugly one-two punch for the President. And it’s time for the Friday Night Quickening! I better get beer on the way home.

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In a series of rage tweets likely to erupt in the early morning hours of July 29th, DJT will declare war on North Korea.

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Maybe it’s a bit parochial, but the reporting always says their missiles can hit this or that part of the US. A loose calculation of about 6000 miles from Pyongyang also shows it can hit anywhere in China, Russia, Western Europe, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Australia, and New Zealand.

So where’s the reporting on the steps those countries are taking to stop this? Is the world cursed enough to have Dump the sole arbiter of what we collectively do about North Korea’s nuclear/ICBM programs?

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NK doesn’t have a hard-on for those places like it does the US, so it’s not really the relevant metric. They’re not going to nuke them, and those countries pose no real or imagined threat to NK.

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Trump tweets while DPRK gains a first strike capability. Sad. Deplorable.

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I would not be at all surprised if iDiJiT launches an all-out attack on NK. Such a move would serve 2 purposes. 1, it would distract everyone’s attention from his problems with the Russians, and 2, it would start a much larger regional war, if not a world war, which is exactly what Bannon has been advising him to do since he stepped into the WH. Whatever donald ends up doing with regard to NK, it will be big! He does not have the intellect or the basic intelligence to calculate a more limited strike, nor does he have real faith that the US military is even capable of carrying out a surgical strike to kill Jong Un, or take their missiles off line. Donald likes big explosions. BIG WAR is the only type of military action that he can get excited about, and right now, he needs a hobby ASAP. Starting a war would be different and exciting for him. Count on it.

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I wouldn’t be surprised, but I also wouldn’t be surprised if an attempt to launch an attack led to immediate 25th amendment sanction.There isn’t anyone in the chain of command except trump who thinks that would be a good idea.

And practically speaking, NK is still a long, long way from being able to do anything other than exact a really high price for destroying their government.

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No worries. Trumpp had an impervious anti-missile defense in place on Day 1.

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Would that we had such insurance!

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Pretty sure none of those countries has a defense pact with South Korea. And no, this takes all military options off the table. Hind-sight is 20-20, but the only chance to have stopped this was back in the 90s during the Clinton administration, when the GOP block any negotiations, calling them appeasement. Now it’s just a matter of time before N. Korea has a 100 of these. We better hope Kim is more sane than he appears (which is likely). The real losers are the people of N. Korea.

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You’re playing the war mongers hand - they may have a missile and A bombs, but what in heavens name makes you think that they will risk their existence to attack us. It’s like the weapons of mass destruction - did you fall for that too - these things are to keep them safe from us - we have gotten into or started more war then anyone else, since WWII - except maybe Russian - it depends how you count.

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I hope the new CoS ( Gen Kelly) will be able to knock some sense into Trump’s thick skull that Sec of State Rex Tillerson REALLY needs that seasoned diplomat as deputy for East Asia way more he needs an ex-Treasury official.

How did Sec Def Mattis put it? That if Trump seriously cuts State diplomacy, he will need more bullets. And bullets just ain’t gonna cut it for SK/NK.

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NK would never try to attack, as long as that valiant Veep stands guard. Or, did he just pass wind???

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Strictly speaking, they do. It’s called the United Nations. As the article points out, the Korean War has never technically ended, which means that the UN peacekeeping mission is still able to be invoked.

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I rather doubt the North Koreans timed this…

We should be cautious about jumping to conclusions, but also have eyes open. NK was not making similarly rapid progress during the Obama administration. So who’s helping NK here? Is it Russia, China, or both?

Keeping in mind that Putin (and possibly others) mixed in our elections and supported Trump primarily to weaken the U.S., would it not make sense that actually scoring a nuclear attack against us (via NK) might also be appealing? As long as Trump blames NK and all our conservatives are beholden to Putin, it might indeed make sense for Russia to support and help NK advance its weapons technology…and also to suggest timings that might throw Trump even further off balance.

Not saying these things are happening, but let’s not assume too blithely that they’re not.

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Pretty sure that while Putin might be willing to destabilize us to make us ineffectual, he’s not dumb enough to hand nukes to a nut job that he can’t control - and he can’t control NK. China can’t control NK.

Ultimately, technological progress is an accretion process. It snowballs. It accelerates. NK wasn’t advancing this fast 10 years ago, but during the Obama administration? Yeah, they were accelerating their rate of progress. We just had people in the White House who knew how to handle things calmly and confidently, and nobody felt the need to freak out. Now? Freaking out is probably the sanest response, because if they do get nukes that can reach us, The Donald’s first response to an attack won’t be a counterstrike, and it won’t be to try to intercept the missile(s), it’ll be to tweet. And given how slow he types…

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Most of that is true. What’s also true, however, is that Russia is helping NK. And that this help to NK accelerated greatly in 2017. We also know that NK’s nuclear technology is largely based on tech from the former USSR. It’s not a big stretch to suppose that Russia is helping support an attack on a mutual enemy while also increasing NK’s dependence on Russia.

Except it doesn’t increase their dependence. If the ruling family of NK has demonstrated anything, it’s that no matter what happens, they feel beholden to no-one, and will not hesitate to engage in covert actions against those who think they have any leverage on the regime—including family members. And the Russians are smart enough to know that.

Except it doesn’t increase their dependence

It most certainly does. NK is now getting most of its energy resources from Russia. Russia is supporting NK economically by giving work to its residents in exchange for payment in fungible currency. NK has had some level of dependency on Russia since USSR days and that’s never stopped. When do you believe the ruling family of NK engaged in covert action against Putin? Because if that’s their way, they should have done it already.