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Go for it Gopers, we love Trump and throw in Fiorena in for VP and walla, you have your winning combination!
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Anyone running for office is, by definition, a politician, whatever they did previously.
What I took from this piece was that it is still too early in the process to predict with any degree of certainty how it will play out.
Because all the R’s promise so much stuff they never enact?
I don’t think it is a bad thing at all that leading candidates in the GOP are not career Washington politicians. Career Washington politicians are, with the exception of Sanders, bought and paid for by the same big money. If you think there is a difference between Soros money and Koch money, then you are fooling yourself.
At least for me, I would love to see it come down to Sanders vs Cruz. We can then have a debate about whether or not the country wants to be a Democratic Socialist country, like Sweden, or a Capitialistic Constitutional Republic.
After all the heart of the parties really are in tune with them. It isn’t with Clinton, a Bush, Walker, Kasich, Trump, etc…
So glad to hear your thoughts on career politicians. I guess you would agree then: that is one reason Barack Obama has been such a successful and good President.
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“Why (are) So Many GOP Voters Are Supporting Non-Politicians”
For the same reason they love the idea of drowning the government in a bathtub- self-contempt.
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Voting for these unqualified folks is the ultimate tantrum. I see some value in keeping them in the early conversations to keep issues more real. But, eventually, we hope that maturity rises to the top. But for the GOP I’m not holding my breath.
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The Establishment is quickly finding too many billionaires who feel entitled to be part of it.
This is just a radicalized cycle repeating itself.
- Tea party makes demands
- Politicians pander to tea party to shore up the base
- Politicians are reelected on those extreme promises (like repealing the ACA and deporting all illegal immigrants) that they know they can’t keep or execute because they’re either impossible or would cause enormous problems
- Tea party wants them out because they didn’t keep outrageous promises.
- New candidate pops up to take advantage by calling former politician a “rino” or “washington insider” or implies they’re corrupt or lacking in conviction.
- Rinse, repeat.
If they would have simply disavowed the racist, bigoted, misogynist and hateful new Tea Party years ago, they wouldn’t have this problem. When you run on how government is broken, and the only way to fix it is to break it some more, this is what you get.
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Says the liver of the Party.
Remember when the mantra was that Barack Obama is just a one term Senator and didn’t have the experience. Just a community organizer said these same jellyfish that now claim to think no experience is a good thing.
Weathervanes are more consistent than Republicans seriously. Flags waver less.
Birthers are now stuck with outing their own candidates because they have to be consistent apparently. Consistently stupid that is.
The Republicans, the crazy fourth of America, may well be impressed with their know nothing candidates but the majority of America isn’t biting. At this pace, the Repubs will be running a literal talking head by 2024 or so.
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Point taken. However, the idea here is that there are three-and-one-half Rethug candidates (I’m including Cruz) who have no governing or public service experience of any kind.
The GOP is off-center, and is cycling further and further off balance. It used to be their ideas were facile–remember “I built that”?–appealing on the surface, but illogical when examined closely. Now, their ideas are illogical on the surface–build an impenetrable wall that someone else will pay for–and when examined, positively harmful.
They no longer even pretend to have good policy ideas, and appeal solely to a gut feeling. “Elect me. I have no experience or solid plans, no chance to pass anything through Congress, and I’ll likely start a war or two, but I am entertaining.”
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And also the reason why Hillary would be a disaster.
You know, the good Presidents have come from a variety of backgrounds, and so have the bad ones. It is pretty obvious though that most of the horrible ones in modern times have come from the Republican Party (ever since it changed its stripes in the 60’s)
I think Hillary will do just fine. At least she won’t have the mistaken impression that Obama did, which was that the Republicans were dealing in good faith. He caught on to that way later than he should have. Hillary will have no such illusions. She knows the GOP has no interest in governing.
I;ve lived in Arizona nearly 50 years. In that time we’ve had 3 “Businessmen governors” Evan Mecham (tossed out of office for embezzlement), Fife Symington (sent to prison for real estate fraud)… are you noticing a trend yet? Our third businessman is our current Gov. Doug Ducey former CEO of Cold Stone Creamery. All 3 of these guys have said “I’ll run AZ like a business”. OK I’ll say it plainly as I can:
States and governments are not “for profit” businesses.
Ducey in his 8 months in office has savaged educational funding. The states 3 universities took a 100 million dollar cut. Community colleges were completely zeroed out of the states budget. The Gov. thinks we need further cuts yet the state has a 700 million dollar surplus at the moment in addition to 350 million dollars in a rainy day fund. Education could be funded IF the governor wished to. The education cuts are not a one off deal. I’ve watched the republican majority in our state house and senate (they’ve had the majority for 46 years or so) cut the universities every single year for those 46 years.
Republicans are toxic to education and education is one of the prime economic motivators here. Companies want educated, smart workers. Businesses people also want good schools for their kids.
Hillary has so much more worldly experience and political experience over the clown candidates in the republican party that she will make them look pretty stupid in any debate that they get into. Hillary can be and will be a fighter when the time is right. Trump’s flame will soon burn out and they who is the next leader in the clown car? Put Cruz out there and let’s look at his record and radical positions for all to see, and see how far he can go. After he fades, then who? This is the same song and dance show we saw 4 years ago. Hillary or Bernie will kick the heck out of any of the right wing clowns.
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