Discussion: Alabama High School Shooting Leaves 1 Student Dead, Another Injured

Again. Gun violence in a school full of children.

When I heard mothers in the ‘war on terror’ were sending out their daughters as suicide bombers I realized we cannot win if ‘they’ hate us more than they love their children.

What does it say about America then if we love our assault rifles more than we love our children?

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Also, there is zero chance an armed teacher would have prevented this.

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I will only take issue with your use of the word “accidental.” It is no accident when a weapon discharges; it’s neglect or stupidity. Every legal weapon sold in this country comes with a safety, which must be disengaged before the trigger is pulled. Some idiot brought a loaded gun into a school, and young woman is dead. Not an “accident”; negligent homicide. (Note: IANAL.)

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Accidents can be (and frequently are) the result of neglect or stupidity. Here, accidental means not intended to happen. Negligence can also be culpable if a reasonable person could reasonably foresee the likely outcome of a particular action. Waving a loaded firearm around with the safety off or leaving a loaded firearm where a child could get hold of it could reasonably be considered culpable negligence or reckless endangerment.

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Birmingham Interim Police Chief Orlando Wilson said investigators are reviewing surveillance video for clues and interviewing students and staff to figure out exactly what led to Wednesday afternoon’s shooting at dismissal time at Huffman High School.

I’m going to go out a limb and guess that a gun had something to do with the shooting.

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Indeed, there is a nonzero chance that an armed teacher could cause something like this. All you need is a freshly-trained teacher showing kids that there’s no danger as long as the safety is on. (Anybody know what the current rate is on unintentional discharges involving firearms instructors?)

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I thought that too, but I guess I’ll find out later tomorrow. According to this article they are holding the kid in custody for murder (1).

“aspirations and dreams to be a nurse.”

This part just makes me sad. To me it hints at the kinds of socio-economic world these teenages belong to and we as a nation can do better. There’s nothing wrong with wanting to be a nurse, but why not a doctor, unless it’s too expensive.

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Anecdotal, not statistical, but still dead.

A shooting range instructor in Arizona was accidentally shot and killed by a 9-year-old girl who was learning how to shoot an Uzi.

I think there is also a nonzero chance that an armed teacher could rush to the scene and shoot whomever is holding the gun at the time she gets there.

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Is there a good reason the person that brought the gun into the school, resulting in a fatality, shouldn’t themselves be hanged?
Actions have consequences. Actions resulting in a death should have severe consequences.

Hang a few kids caught in a school with a gun and I think the message will get through. Put up posters in all the hallways.

“If you are caught in possession of a firearm you will be hanged.”

Letting this kid off just encourages more mayhem and death by others.

I dunno. Speaking as someone who has had way, way too much contact with the medical system, they have very different skill sets.

ETA: And hugely different financial commitments.

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I agree with both points. The insurance doctors have to carry on top of student loans is absurd.

My experience comes from living in poor rural areas, where becoming a nurse is a viable option because it’s cheaper and faster than a document, and health care is one of the few remaining job options in a shrinking rural economy. Then there is the bonus of getting to help people, and the ones I know are already helping family at home. Possibly the only bread winner.

I know the victims here weren’t rural if they were going to the largest school in Alabama. My grandma was a nurse too, but it was a little different back in the 1950’s.

I also visited a remote Cree reservation in Canada on week long “field trip” on rural sustainability. We talked to students of the local high school, every singe one of those kids had a friend or relative who’d committed suicide or overdosed. When we asked them what they wanted to be after high school many girls said nurses, many boys said cops. That experience just stays with me. (okay done ranting, thanks.)

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Gov. Kay Ivey said she’s “praying for the family of this young lady who has tragically lost her life way too early …

There`s a lot of praying going on lately …

And in another article , Ms Porter ( R ) said that students are too young to vote guns away .