Discussion: After 5 Precinct Results Corrected, Clinton Ekes Out Iowa Win Over Sanders

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Given how close the results were, given that Iowa delegates will be initially bound in proportion to the caucus results (i.e., not a “winner take all” system), and given that Iowa doesn’t control what you’d call a huge block of delegates in the first place, none of this matters. It was a tie. Close enough.

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Well. I guess that settles that.

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Remember, in 2012, the Republican Primary first declared Santorum the winner, then Romney, then Santorum again, then, finally months later, Romney.
Not that it mattered in the end as Santorum flamed out quickly.
Iowa is NOWHERE NEAR representative of the USA as a whole, (neither is New Hampshire) and can be pretty much ignored.
Super Tuesday is what matters That is when the rubber hits the road.

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That was even more the case in 2012, when the Iowa caucuses were still just a beauty contest, with no impact on delegates at all. That’s changed for 2016, but Iowa is still pretty much irrelevant.

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I’m still not satisfied in the number of decimal places the delegate count is carried out to. We have the technology, we can go five!

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So it’s clear that Sanders and Clinton appeal equally to the so-called evangelical vote. Probably voting for the lesser of two evils,… I don’t know.

Now let’s see how they do with the rest of the demographics.

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Well, I know it doesn’t.

All this “settles” is Phase 5 of the Iowa Democratic party Caucuses selection process. There are still more phases to go thru until delegate allocation is complete. Phase 1 involved precinct credentialing and qualifications, Phase 2 the precinct-by-precinct ‘caucusing’, which itself had multiple steps, Phase 3 was the tabulation and reporting to the party’s designated state-wide caucusing returning officer of the outcomes of each of the results from the various precinct caucuses, which can and in this cylcle did take several days to past the last Monday to complete, Phase 4 was for verification of reported numbers and allocation among (or between) candidates including write-ins, and Phase 5 was for challenges, recounts, appeals, adjustments and dissemination of the initial or ‘caucusing night’ allocation distribution among the various state party regions that will continue on with the future stages towards selection of general delegates - which continuation is capable of resulting in a change of relative general delegate allocation between the two main candidates who secured at least 15% of the tabulated accredited attendees at each individual precinct caucus conduct on the first night of the caucuses.

The full process is not exhausted for several more weeks before the whole shebang ‘settles’, and that full process still very much holds the potential for relocation of DNC convention delegates between Clinton and Sanders.

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Democrats are fond of claiming that voter fraud is nonexistant. I guess that voter fraud when committed by the Party machinery is exempt. There are plenty of stories about VERY dodgy practices in the counting to leave the ENTIRE Iowa process in total doubt. As some have noted, if we agree that it is a tie, that is probably the most accurate statement. However, the caucus process is inherently, intrinsically, and completely illegitimate, from the standpoint of accountability. The auditing of results is simply not possible, as the “voting” involves moving from one part of a large room to another. The caucus system should be eliminated. Period. At the very least, Iowa should now be removed as the leading contest, since their system is so fraught with unreliability.

Stalin said it best. It doesn’t matter who votes, how they vote, or anything else. What matters is who counts the vote. And somehow the candidate of those who count the vote wins in close elections. Odd, that.

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I’ve never been to a caucus where the counts weren’t monitored by the captains for the other candidate (s).

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It’s a PROCESS!

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In several more weeks Iowa will be last year’s news and the media will be discussing how HRC is about to knock Sanders out of the race on Trailer Tuesday.

Sort of how like nobody remembers that Romney lost Iowa, that Santorum won the popular vote, and that Ron Paul collected 3/4ths of the delegates. To the public at large, Romney Wins Iowa.

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That may be, and I have no reason to doubt you. However, if a person were to request a recount, this is simply not possible when “voting” involves “collecting on the bleachers, Sanders delegates please collect on the main floor”, or something like that.

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