Too funny.
That one, not so much.
It bothered me that I pressed âreplyâ before I added Iran Air Flight 655 - where the US military murdered 290 passengers and crew.
They keep saying it, donât they.
The Ukrainian military has fully operational Buk missile systems. The rebels (counter-revolutionaries) do not.
The Ukrainian government controls the airspace and flight paths over Ukraine â not Malaysia, not Russia.
Very true. Obama and his state department helping to plan and supporting the coup was the initiator, though.
Putin is more popular than Obama.
Thanks for the warning, Martin.
Iâm a little uptight on the blatant misinformation being thrown around here today.
Iâll try to write nicely.
We all have our buttons. I know I have mine.
This can be an excellent place to vent, just make sure its the correct way with your best argument.
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Why does that matter? Isnât that more of the shoulda
Why should they let a bunch of American spies into that contested area of the country? The passengers are all dead, as you said.
These guys on this board canât handle the truth. They still think the US are the good guys.
Just tired of simpletons âknowingâ things when they have close to zero information.
Iâll accept âtantrumâ.
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You guys really screwed the pooch with this one. All the board spamming in the world isnât going to help you this time. You would do Putin more good destroying evidence with the rest of your pals.
Pretty funny that you think Americans, like myself, canât think things through differently from the rest of the hive.
US foreign policy has been in a shambles for decades. Our presidents have illegally terrorized the world for our entire history as a nation.
It is Putin and Russia that has to deal with the mess we helped make in Ukraine. Ukraine is meaningless to the national security of the United States. That is why your fantasy of America âwinningâ something there is both dangerous and entirely true to the typical demagogue.
You might have some credibility if you werenât promoting a narrative in which the only important external actor contributing to the current situation in the Ukraine is the United States.
Funny, they were saying they did just a couple of weeks ago. But I suppose that was a pre-placed fake post in anticipation of carrying out this attack, right?
â⌠Americans, like myselfâŚâ
Donât piss on my leg and tell me itâs raining.
Now, now. Some people genuinely are dupes.
Hindsight is always 20/20. Please stop blaming the victim.
The two airlines with most flights over Eastern Ukraine were Russian and Ukrainian. Donât you think those would be the first ones to avoid the airspace if it were so obvious that it was dangerous? The downed airliner could just as easily have been German or Russian.
Wow, I hope youâre paid for posting this crap, because you canât possibly believe it yourself.
While at it, can you also explain how Ukraine forced Putin to annex Crimea and how those little green men without proper uniforms came from Mars and not Russia?
The reality is that Putin is running Russia into the ground entirely without help or interference from anyone, and Ukraine serves as a convenient distraction. It has nothing to do with the US or anyone else, but itâs nice to see the cold war propaganda alive and kicking. Itâs just as âcredibleâ now as it was then.
Not that Iâm relenting on our discussion-- but that there is something Iâve been trying to do to analyze multiple days flight paths as youâve mentioned-- that I havenât been able to find the time to do since yesterday.
Iâve also found a couple of other aviation maps that Iâm trying to get access to-- that Iâm awaiting registration confirmation from a website-- to get to them in a readable size.
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No to both.
Have you noticed that the MH17 flight plan on file (from the last 60 daysâ history) is set to avoid Ukrainian airspace altogether by traversing north into Russiaâs airspace?
Yet none of the actual historical flight paths taken during that period does so?
But in fact every single MH17 flightpath goes straight between the area the FAA has issued warnings for-- Crimea-- and the territories 300 miles north of that area held by Ukrainian separatists.
If you arenât aware of this intentional in-flight rerouting? Maybe you should become so-- and then give us your reasoning for this change from the filed flight plan-- thatâs occurring on every scheduled MH17 flight.
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