Discussion: 'A Big Hoax!': After Week Of Walkbacks, Trump Returns To Doubting Russia Meddling

Stable genius.

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I think Trump’s base actually have fewer teeth which are less than pearly white.

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Memo to TPM headline writer: Trump returns to “denying” Russia involvement not “doubting.” Doubting implies that he has used reason and evidence to consider whether something is true. Putting aside his capacity to use either reason or evidence, we know he knows it is true.

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An idiot that lied and cheated his way to bankruptcy several time before being pulled out but the only folks that would touch him because no one would touch them, the Russians.

I think the case that Brian Buetler laid out is pretty compelling too - it’s a natural alliance. “The real collusion was in their hearts all along.”

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Thank you. I think the AP stories come with pre-written headlines but I don’t think the publishing organization has to use them.

Virtually everything here is a lie, including the prepositions, the articles, and the spaces, Big surprise. The FBI indeed warned the lying Drumpfenfuehrer’s campaign in the summer of 2016 that Russians were likely to attempt to interfere with it and asked it to report any such suspicious activity. There was plenty of it, but none was reported to the FBI. In the fall prior to the election, Obama attempted to garner bipartisan support for a public announcement of Russian attacks on the election; as we all know the patriotic McConnell, famous for putting nation above party, declared that he would call any such announcement to be partisan meddling on behalf of Clinton. (Of course, a reasonable debate is possible concerning Obama’s actions vis-a-vis Russian election attacks before the election. In hindsight, most probably believe his reaction was too weak. At minimum, Obama, who’s greatest fault was invariably bringing a pea-shooter to a firefight, should have told McConnell to fuck himself and made the matter public,

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Because the meta really is the story here - it’s not like we’re looking for Trump to lay out a policy and then he says something to that makes us question it. It’s all reading the tea leaves, or examining the entrails of slaughtered birds, or watching a rooster picking at grain. Trump isn’t revealing some larger truth we want to know here - the only truth he’s revealing is that his words are tied only to his momentary grasp of his interests in a particular situation, not to some coherent policy he’s articulating to his administration.

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He comments on stuff like this because he filters everything through his Trump Org eyes – interest rates are bad for my company. He has absolutely no comprehension for the macroeconomic meaning of it all.

Plus, since I’m world’s best business man EVER, everybody knows I know what I am talking about (narrator: he doesn’t).

Plus, this is something I think I understand (narrator: he doesn’t).

Right now he’s taking his bankrupt “policies” and trying to bankrupt the country. But it takes time before the auditors (voters) catch up to the fact that the country’s bankrupt, he’s still skidding through.

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Good Point
Tattoos and Rebel Flags very popular
Dental hygiene…not so much

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Keep it up. Because calling them deplorable worked so well the last time.

Thanks for your kind offer , but I am over them
I don’t want to “understand” them

Why does TPM continue to use the at-best tepid word “meddling” to describe what Russia did?

Is it too much to ask that we be more accurate and, at the very least, call an assault on our democracy “manipulation?”

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A critique on this article is crucial. Trump isn’t back to saying Russia didn’t meddle in 2016. Trump has always known Russia meddled to help him win. Rather, Trump is back to lying that Russia didn’t meddle to help him win.

… which makes him a 4-F. Nice.

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Went down a twitter rabbithole and ran across this article, actually an excerpt from Luke Harding’s book Collusion: Secret Meetings, Dirty Money, and How Russia Helped Donald Trump Win.

The article is about Trump’s first trip to Moscow came to be - in 1987. And how and why he’d been targeted for attention from the KGB for more than a decade before they brought him there, put him in a bugged Lenin-slept-here suite right next door to the spy HQ, dangled the possibility of a Trump tower on Red Square and flattered him as a future contender for president. Think he didn’t fall for that shit then? Think he isn’t still falling for that shit now?

The thing is they’d been working on him for more than a decade at that point. He’d married a citizen of an Eastern European country, and the spy agencies made full use of that to keep tabs on him through letters and interviews with Ivana’s family. The Russian ambassador to the UN, upon arriving in NY, goes immediately to Trump Tower and is so “marveled” he demands to go upstairs to meet the owner. Uh huh.

This, combined with Brian Beutler’s “real collusion was in their hearts all along” article, make a pretty good case that Putin didn’t need to blackmail Trump in order to make him turn against his country. Or if you do go for the kompromat angle, there’s no way they waited until 2013 to collect it.

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Don’t need to understand them, just avoid insulting them. Most of the time, they won’t bother to vote, but they will make a special effort to vote against people who ridicule them. No point making it easy for the propagandists to use our own words to rile them up.

Why say mean things about them? Doing so is not virtuous or admirable. Does it make us feel better? Does it hinder us or does it further us?

Off topic, but Mark Hamill was at ComiCon this week. The back of his T-shirt reads “Make the Death Star great again”

Mark Hamill confirmed on his Twitter account that this was one of several costumes he wore at the event. https://twitter.com/hamillhimself/status/1021185367620272128?s=21

(Edited to include photos & add note about Hamill’s twitter account)

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Yes, AND rising interest rates will but the brakes on the economic growth. It helps the consumer(protects us from runaway inflation), but will make donnie & co.'s economic growth stall.

Maybe economic downturn with visibility beginning in time for 2018 but if this keeps up then for sure by 2020 if this dolt-45 is still in office.