Discussion: 5 Points On The Voter Fraud Cases Kris Kobach Is Prosecuting

In the thousands of elections each cycle, there will be a few people who will in some fashion break the myriad of election laws out there. When appropriate, it makes sense to prosecute, though they usually are going to be minor crimes often the result of clear mistake. When guns are involved, Republicans generally don’t let this interfere with the rights of the whole but apparently a few outliers here should result in burdensome laws that as a whole hurt law abiding citizens in their fundamental right to vote, usually of a certain ahem type.

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Of course it’s going to be Republicans who commit voter fraud! Democrats aren’t allowed to register in even one county let alone two or three.

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He said he has several real estate properties in each state and believed he could vote in both, as long as he only voted in one county per state.

“When I look at a Colorado form, I’m signing a Colorado form. It doesn’t say it’s a United States form, it says it’s a Colorado form,” Wilson told the newspaper. “In Kansas, my reasoning was the same.”

And this, boys and girls, is why we should never have allowed the schools to take what used to be called “Civics” out of the high school curriculum in this country. I’ll concede that Wilson’s logic makes a certain amount of sense, but it isn’t how the system works.

Owning property does not confer the right to vote, even on things that directly affect your property. That’s the system: we don’t have property requirements, we have residence requirements.

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Kobach, a man who does not live in AZ like I do, has written laws for my state that have been adopted. I consider that to be carpetbagging. That’s as nice a term as I can come up with this early in the day.

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And the fraud is of a form that Voter ID cannot touch.

This is a classic example of GOTP logic:
Major Premise: “Oh my God, there is a problem! We have to do something about it!”
Minor Premise: “This is something involving the systems where the problem is.”

Conclusion: “We must do this.”

In this case, the major premise is, “Voter fraud is a serious problem!” The minor premise is, “Voter ID addresses some voter fraud problems.” The conclusion is: “We must enact voter ID laws.”

Of course, it completely blows past the facts:
(1) Voter fraud is not a major problem.
(2) To the extent that voter fraud exists, it is the absentee system that is the source of the problem. Essentially no ID is necessary to get an absentee ballot in most jurisdictions.

The Tea Party: Bringing you fact-free decision making since 2009.

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It’s going to be determined by residency laws. Exactly where is Wilson’s legal residence? If it’s in Kansas, he’s safe. If it’s in Colorado, he’s screwed.

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But yet they never question the voting machines, even though there are complaints, questions and inconsistencies. It has been they are owned by a Republican who has promised that so and so would win, but that isn’t fraud is it?

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Aw come on…they were just trying to be frank and earnest.
Frank in Colorado, Earnest in Kansas.

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One fraudulent vote is such an insult to the integrity of the system that it’s worth suppressing thousands of legitimate votes to prevent it.

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It is vital that Kobach pretend that voter fraud is rampant, and establish his integrity by prosecuting Republicans first, as a shield, and a feint. Of course he will then seek to institute more ridiculous laws that will affect Democratically-leaning voters much harder.

Clearly, Kobach, and his puppet master Sam Brownback are zealots, who will not be sated until they can legally prevent anyone who thinks differently from prevailing in ANY election.

The bizarre detail is that since every one of their hare-brained GOP ideas is so destructive to the state, will there be anything left to govern at all very soon?

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I think he is screwed either way. He is admitting that he votes in Colorado and Kansas. The only thing residency determines is where the fraud was committed.

Colorado may or may not decide to prosecute. Further, many of the residency laws depend on intent, so if the elections where held on different days it could depend on his intent on that day. Ridiculous but there it is.

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And their Food Stamp benefits cards!

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I’m sensing a pattern.

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Hmmm, and all he caught were his own party base. How shocking. Much like them claiming welfare is mostly for black people yet the facts show it is mostly white southerners who are the real takers.

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Except that the Colorado County has (apparently) declined to prosecute. If that holds, and his legal residence is Kansas I don’t think Kobach has a cause for action. I can’t imagine a scenario under which Kobach is permitted to persecute [sic] for a violation of Colorado laws.

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What a waste of time and money. Kansas must have excesses of both in its state budget.

What is the SoS going to do about voter fraud committed by dead people? Every election many people vote early, and some of them die before the election day. Dead people voting! Voter fraud!

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Agreed. Though it might be difficult for Colorado to continue to turn a blind eye to this after Kobach is making such a public display.

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So many Latinos (including my father) were supremely motivated to do things after they were told that “they wouldn’t be allowed to”, I happen to know that his military career was marked by this, affable man though he was.

I see people like Luis Gutierrez with this spirit…and, in his televised appearances, Gutierrez tries to put forth the idea that this spirit in still alive.

If it is not, people like Kobach, already subject to, as best, butterknife questions from the MSM, will make far more headway than they should, Arkansas, Kansas or anywhere else.

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If I were the county’s election officer, I’d write him a letter of warning and make it public. It would read something like, Mr. Wilson, you F’d up. Don’t do it again. If you do it again, you will subject to prosecution under Colorado Statutes xx.yyyy and xx.zzz. Possible penalties include yadayadayada.

Problem addressed, problem solved in about 30 minutes of the election officer’s time.

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