Discussion: 5 Points On GOP's Grand Obamacare Conspiracy In SCOTUS Case

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I appreciate the article, well written well researched… But you keep applying logic to O’care when the argument from the conservative wing-nuts isn’t about logic. It’s about ideology. Specifically about hatred of Obama. That hate trumps everything and anything, even a law that helps millions of Americans.

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Shows what’s been shown over and over again, the GOP has been a COMPLETE waste of time for the last 7 years. They are worse than do nothings; they don’t want anyone to do anything and will pull on the flimsiest string to see if they can make that happen. They are way beyond shame and embarrassment.

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And yet, sickeningly, they keep getting elected.

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These arguments don’t matter to a completely corrupted Supreme Court which will vote 5-4 to kill the subsidies.

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This matters nothing to Unctuous Tony and his lap dogs. Roberts and possibly Kennedy may appeal to sanity.

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Brought to you by the party who lies to themselves at every opportuntity…

http://www.alternet.org/10-facts-will-blow-right-wingers-minds

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Dear GOP, Like your mommy told you, one lie leads to another lie and pretty soon you’re talking in circles and chasing your tail.

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The hope is that Roberts doesn’t want to join with an opinion totally STUPID, if only for long term strategy reasons.

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If the goal was to provide health insurance for a part of the population that did not qualify for existing government assistance, and could not reasonably afford it, that would have been simple. That was never the case. ObamaCare was intended all along to get the government into private medicine and set up the groundwork for a single payer system. Considering that a percentage of the “uninsured” include people like Bill Gates that can pay any medical bill they need to, and millions of others in that 1% so often reviled, the actual need is less than stated. A simple stop-loss policy would be all such would need, but that is “unacceptable” under the system’s setup.

Definitely possible, but I still have a hard time believing that they will so blatantly show themselves as being corrupt. Of course, there is always the moment in horror movies where evil comes out of the shadows and exposes itself directly. It could well be that this will be that moment.

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Expecting the right wing stooges on the court to apply EVIDENCE is a fool’s errand.

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SCOTUS has its own agenda not based on the law, facts or reality
but rather the right wing play book

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I am quite certain that every member of the conservative court, along with all republicans and every conservative ‘scholar’ in the country are well aware that the intent of the law was to provide subsidies in every state regardless of the exchange. This is not, and never has been a legal question. This is about using the SCOTUS to overturn a law that the GOP does not now, and likely never will have the power to repeal.

To allow them to achieve their goal they have always paid their minions to spew out nonsense about ‘never reading the law before voting on it’ or ‘Gruber called Americans stupid!’, while also giving misty eyed speeches about the ‘sanctity of legislative wording’ as though no law had ever been allowed to move forward with even one case of vague wording. All of it, every word, is pure, unadulterated BS.

This, however, is why articles like this are important. They do nothing to change the minds of those who are trying to gut the law, but they do expose their fundamental mendacity. In so doing they set up a game of chicken where the center and left basically dare the right to do what they want without the fig leaf of any intellectual deniability.

As for me, I think they won’t care what 70% of Americans think, but, if so, it will be in the post decision phase where it becomes important. That is when they will pay the actual price, because, rather than rolling over and just giving up on the ACA, I suspect the democrats are already planning to ride GOP refusal to pass a one sentence expansion of the subsidies to an electoral mandate in 2016. Republicans are showing signs they see this too, and they know it will work. This is why they have suddenly come to Jesus about having a response that includes an ACA replacement or one that appears to save the subsidies, but does so by putting a bomb in the full statute.

Will this work? It might, but only if they are able to obtain majorities in both houses without any democratic support. That is a TALL order for this congress. I think that its already clear that this session will be unable to enact ANY significant legislation while relying on GOP votes alone. The ACA will be even more contentious than immigration or abortion in their caucus, which means that no response is likely the only thing you will see from the legislative branch. If THAT happens the party elite will be openly ruing the day they filed the King v Burwell suit.

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Jonathan Alter at the Washington Monthly has written this about the possibility of SCOTUS “upending ACA on a technicality.” If someone can explain what a “workaround” is it would be helpful.

If that happens this summer, the White House is rumored to be prepared with a technicality of its own—a workaround that uses HealthCare.gov, the federal exchange, as the architecture for instant new exchanges in states that don’t currently offer them, which would essentially restructure Obamacare by executive

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The Democrats need to shout this from the rooftops, or whatever medium they can find: “Republicans want to take away your health insurance just to make a political point and deprive the President and Democrats any legacy of accomplishment. They have no plan to replace the ACA. If you have a pre-existing condition, they are fine with you not being able to get any health insurance at all on the individual market. They think those were the good old days. They are the party of the past.”
Republicans will respond with a barrage of propaganda on Fox News and redoubled efforts to demolish Social Security, Medicare and the ACA. First, the Big Money Boyz will pay for the effort by backing candidates who promise “reform” of these safety net programs. Then, they will attempt to rig the Electoral College so that Congressional district representation determines the EC delegates. If that fails, there’s always the Supreme Court’s Friendly Five for a reprise of 2000. They’d love to see those aging pesky liberals like RBG and Steven Breyer be replaced by mini-Scalias, locking the wingnut majority there for another generation. What better way to do it than by choosing the president of their liking?
Hyperbolic? Never underestimate the ruthless resourcefulness of a highly driven Right Wing.

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and sooner or later your head winds right up your ass

yes but that wouyld mean the dems grow a set of balls instead of hideing in the corner and being afraid of bein called mean names…maybe they should go to elizabeth warren and bernie sanders for a shot of… I got your facts right here

The issue has more to do with many of the justices ignoring that sort of thing in favor of the “textualist” approach. As far as I have heard others on the matter, I do not read legal things, the language is convoluted by it is clear when you take everything together.

Which, for some of the justices it means the text says what they want it to mean at any given point.