Discussion: 3 Arguments SCOTUS Conservatives Made To Kill Affirmative Action

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Of course, legacy admissions of the idiot sons of the rich is just fine.

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“SCOTUS Conservatives Give Their Reasons For Killing Affirmative Action”

Well Alex, I’m going to go with “Dumb. Racist. Fucks.” For $100.

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Racism is the only GOP reason.

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with the shame and ignorance that accompany these arguments, those in the GOP who are Trump-true-believers will be comforted.

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"What unique perspective does a minority student bring to a physics class?" [Roberts] asked Gregory Garre, the attorney representing the University of Texas.

This is the one that kills me. Besides implying that minority students would only be attending because of some special treatment, and that we’d be “dumbing down” physics by having them there, it assumes that bias in a society never can pass through the filter of pure science. How many women, for example, have been dissuaded from taking science because it is a male domain? Do you think maybe, just maybe, some admissions guy, freed from pesky anti-discrimination admission rules, might not be able to imagine a black guy/gal as a physics major?

I can’t tell if Roberts is a stone-cold racist, or whether he just lacks the ability to think outside of the La Lumiere world of his youth. In either case, it’s a shame he’s on the SCOTUS.

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If for no other reason, THIS is just one reason why we desperately need all Democrats to get out and vote. I don’t want to hear one other godd*mn thing! Not one. Ginsberg won’t live forever and has probably been on the bench for much longer than her health would allow.

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This is the elite brain trust that gave us the Citizens United debacle. Their motivations are evident.

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I know this is nothing but pure politics in a pretty raw form (at least that’s how many might see it) – but you are Spot-On!

The Supreme Court of the United States is the Number One reason I vote.

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“What unique perspective does a minority student bring to a physics class?”

Well, for someone who is white and male and either consciously or subconsciously believes that those 2 properties make him superior to everyone else, the change in perspective brought by a (insert minority here) doing just as well or better in his physics class could be life-changing.

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And yet the white man’s affirmative action, legacy admissions, is fine, huh? Sterling example: We can look to great leadership like that we got from Dumbya’ Bush that threw the world into chaos. Were it not for legacy admissions, that world class dullard would never have been able to disgrace the halls of Yale.

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One vote to end affirmative action is assured. He will wake up, or his boss Scalia will nudge him, and he will nod in approval of ending it: “Whatever Massa’ Scalia wants is fine with me.”

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What surprises me is that there is the argument for the program makes no attempt to account for the differences in education quality from school to school. It is glaringly obvious that the major difference in achievement between wealthy white and poor minority students can be traced right back to the school systems in which each are educated. This disparity in secondary education is the equivalent of Jim Crow in terms of how it affects competitiveness for college and lifetime opportunity for minorities (and poor whites). However, a rational discussion fact is even more of a third rail in politics than social security, because the concept of local control and responsibility for education is considered sacrosanct on both sides of the political divide.

I would not expect the University of Texas to argue that we should change the way schools are supported, but they could have and should have responded to Robert’s question about timetables with statistics showing asymmetric resource distribution to students in different parts of the state. The ‘timetable’ will remain infinite so long as they are left to address unequal access at the secondary school level, and unless the court wants to wade into those waters (and they should), they should allow state universities latitude in how they take it into account.

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Well, yes, but only for rich white people. That said, as a poor white man, I’d still have a better chance than a poor black man.

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Legacy admissions were created for the express purpose of keeping out Jews.

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Ask Neil Degrasse Tyson.

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My vote is fort “stone-cold racist”. Because of this whole “tell me exactly when the program is going to be over” thing, combined with his opinion gutting the Civil Rights Act. He’s doing this in-your-face dance of claiming that racism is officially over, so it’s OK to act in racist ways. It would have been nice if extreme deference to the court were not a requirement, and the response could have been “Our program will be no longer necessary when overbearing racist scum like your colleague are no longer on the court and black teenagers get shot by police at the same rate as white ones.”

But is this any more than Kabuki and maybe a tiny bit of a tussle over the what’s left of Kennedy’s soul? You know which way the assh*le block is going to vote already, because the case was taken up.

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I wonder if they think this crap is clever? So Roberts asks what befits a physics class enjoys by having minorities in it. The point in AA, of course, is the benefit a class in physics has for the minority student. Or asking UT to predict the end of racism in Texas so it can tell the Court when AA is no longer needed. Cute.

Then give away their hand with the proud racism in Scalia’s ‘too fast’ quip. The Court isn’t even trying to cover up what’s going on. They want AA gone because they don’t like it. Fuck the law and the Constitution…this is all about ending a program Conservatives never liked…Constitutional or otherwise.

These guys are like a wrecking ball. For 100 years America built the finest society on earth from a mix of everything on it. Then along comes this fucking Court to chuck it all.

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Your comment is one I wish every SCOTUS justice would be forced to read, consider and comment on. It gets to the heart of the issue – whatever your color. It is one reason many wealthy counties and school districts across the nation have (almost) always argued against spreading the education dollar across the state to help out poorer ones to make up some of the differences. Even some of the very basics such as the quality of the schoolhouse can add so much educational value to the students’ experience. Environmental controls–heat, cooling, proper lighting, fresh air–up-to-date technology, good nutritious FOOD, etc., all can make a huge difference.

Edited for punctuation.

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Which is why anybody who brags that “I won’t vote for Hillary if she beats out Bernie” reveals that they don’t really give a shit about the consequences of a Republican cementing the conservative majority on the Court for years. They’re happy to bring the entire structure of the Progressive Era and the New Deal down, along with every bit of progressive legislation passed since, just to they can smugly and primly assert their ideological purity.

These fake progressives are also fine with something much more personal to me: they don’t give a crap if a Republican President appoints a Justice who enables the Court to overturn Roe v Wade, which then will inevitably mean that my daughter would be forced to bear a rapist’s child, or would be forced to continue a pregnancy even though it was a direct threat to her own life.

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