Discussion for article #223157
Swimming pools are dangerous too.
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Once you bring a gun into a house you can’t call the damage it does accidental
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so will the parents be held responsible for not unloading the gun and not keeping it from the reach of the child? Or is accountability against NRA regulations ?
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Yes, you can. Because the word “accident” means an unfortunate incident that is unintentional. I know you’re repeating what you’ve heard, but it’s mistaken.
Accident doesn’t mean an unavoidable incident. It means unintentional. So unless the kid was intentionally trying to shoot the girl, it’s an accident. But all the same, the gun owner can go to jail for being negligent. Please stop playing semantic games, as it serves no purpose whatsoever and distracts from the issue. The fact that guns can cause accidents is a reason to regulate them more and not have them in the home.
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Countdown until the inevitable statement from the police that no charges will be filed against the negligent relatives/parents in 3 . . . 2 . . . 1 . . .
Yes, but a swimming pool at a home actually serves a useful purpose - it provides cooling recreation. A rifle in the home doesn’t do anything useful.
No, it does not protect you from the home invaders that exist only in your fevered imagination. The stats are not in dispute - having a gun in the home doesn’t make you less likely to be a crime victim, but it makes you many times more likely to be the victim of an accidental shooting, or of a domestic dispute that gets out of hand.
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Just so you know, you’re wrong. Sometimes the gun owner goes unpunished. Other times they go to jail for it. And when the gun owner goes unpunished, it’s usually because it was their own child who died; which is considered punishment enough.
You might disagree with that, but I assure you, if you Google this issue, you’ll find that people do go to jail for this sort of thing. It might not happen as often as it should, but the meme that it always goes unpunished is false. People like keep saying it, but that doesn’t make it true.
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If only those people like Bloomberg would spend their money on educating people about gun safety instead of waging war on our Constitution, perhaps many “accidents” would be avoided. How many commercials about gun safety can be bought with $40 millions?
Gun safety courses are already available for free from the NRA!
Using his money Mr. Bloomberg and the like could be spreading the word on how to safely store and use all sort of guns, the work on the “How To” has been already done by NRA members who most of the time are retired or active duty military and police officers.
So…the NRA gives gun safety courses for free, and yet the problem persists. So it’s your theory that if we only threw more money at the problem, people will finally start acting more responsibly than they do with anything else. Right. It’s all Bloomberg’s fault because he doesn’t spend more money teaching people to not be idiots. Of course.
Look, guy. People are people and they’re going to do stupid things. And if the only way we can do away with gun accidents is to teach everyone to stop being stupid, then it looks like Bloomberg is right and we should regulate guns more; because your dream scenario will never happen.
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It’s only because all the liberal gun control nuts have taken away our right to arm 4-year-olds like the Founding Fathers intended. I’ll bet if he’d known she was packing heat, the little guy would have thought twice before accidentally firing.
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Yes, you are absolutely correct. I was just posting that because people say it in hypothetical situations. (“Hammers are dangerous too!!”)
And when someone actually shoots someone else in a home shooting, the “hammer/5 gallon bucket/swimming pool” danger warnings sound especially vapid. I was emphasizing that.
Thanks for posting.
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We need a law that says “If a gun YOU OWN causes any harm to anyone not harming you, you go to jail.”
If it is stolen and used in a robbery, you go to jail. If it goes off while cleaning and kills your neighbor’s dog, you go to jail. If you accidentally shoot your wife, you go to jail. If a child finds your gun and kills himself, you go to jail.
You have the right to bear arms. You should be absolutely accountable for what happens with those arms.
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Gun control makes people safer. States with lax gun laws have the highest rates of gun violence in the country, even when you factor in your shrill claims of DETROIT and CHICAGO!
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What would be the point? If the idea of your child getting killed by your gun isn’t enough to deter you from being reckless, you think an extra law will make the difference? As if they’re going to think to themselves “Well I was going to leave this loaded gun lying next to my kid, but I sure don’t want to go to jail in case he shoots himself with it.”
And really, isn’t a child’s death punishment enough? I think if it’s someone else’s child, that’s a different story. And I’d even support punishing people for guns that were stolen from them. But mandatory jail for people grieving the loss of their child doesn’t sound like such a good idea to me. Of course, I’m against all mandatory sentences, so…
For me, the best thing is for people to repeat again and again that it’s more dangerous to own a gun than to not own one; until maybe it sinks in. They think they’re being safe, but if we can convince them that we’re not anti-gun, but pro-safety; that would help.
Molasses can be deadly too as are many false equivalencies
Poe’s Law. The actual posts by RWNJ gunlovers are indistinguishable from snark.
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Bloomberg has no obligation to spend his own money to educate people about gun safety. The responsibility rests with those involved with the weapon: the buyer; the seller; and, perhaps, the manufacturer.
Do you think making gun owners pass a government-approved NRA safety course prior to owning a gun is Constitutional?
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Of a piece with your claim: There was a great NYer article on SUVs and how they are very unsafe, but give the illusion of safety, making them even more dangerous. People have the sense that being up high with small windows so no one can see you makes you safe, and that sensation of false safety is more “real” to people than the features that would actually make them safe.
When I lived in boston, people near the sire of 1919 disaster said you can still smell molasses on hot days.
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