Dems Outline Their Demands for ICE As Republicans Promise to Shoot Down Basic Reforms

[system1]

Originally published at: Dems Outline Their Demands for ICE As Republicans Promise to Shoot Down Basic Reforms

House Republicans barely passed a funding package on Tuesday, voting after more than a day of wrangling to approve five full-year funding bills plus a two-week continuing resolution to fund the Department of Homeland Security (DHS). Senate Democrats last month had demanded that, in exchange for their votes on funding packages, reforms and constraints be…

[jrw]

“…there is nothing in these reforms that requires ICE to do anything different than your local and state police departments are required to do”

This is absolutely the correct framing, and it should be shouted from the rooftops, over and over.

[kentford]

Perfect.

I’d add the thrust of these reforms is to call an end to actions by ICE and CBP that violate core constitutional protections. Not to get all misty eyed but every time I read about how these Maga droogs operate, my mind jumps back to colonists’ fury about Writs of Assistance and the background to the 4th Amendment.

[globalguy]

@jrw

“…there is nothing in these reforms that requires ICE to do anything different than your local and state police departments are required to do”

This is absolutely the correct framing, and it should be shouted from the rooftops, over and over.

And just about the lowest standard to meet. So how hard can it be?

(ACAB)

[nikta]

And that absolutely should be the framing, especially as ICE continues to completely disregard any sense of humanity or decency.

[zandru]

@kentford

every time I read about how these Maga droogs operate, my mind jumps back to colonists’ fury about Writs of Assistance and the background to the 4th Amendment.

You know, this would be the perfect year to harp on this. It’s the 250th anniversary of the Declaration of Independence. This comes right out of the Declaration. A series of reminders, nonstop through the election, on how the Trump Regime is doing the things that caused the American colonies to rebel, declare independence, and make war on their autocratic government would be in order.

Start easy and work up to Patrick Henry pitch by, say, August.

[becca656]

This is why I’m not content with what’s happened to date - the GQP doesn’t have to give the Dems anything. There’s no leverage. Until the money already allocated is clawed back, ICEholes continue to act with disregard for pretty much everyone. The whole thing should’ve been shut down while this negotiation continues. They’re still in Minneapolis, folks. They’re still breaking down doors, dragging parents away from children, attacking protesters with chemical weapons that aren’t even allowed for our military.

If this is ok with Congress, we have no hope of pushing this back. None.

[jfromny]

From a messaging standpoint I don’t believe “reforms”is the best terminology

[ronbyers]

I heard the speaker of the house say the 4th Amendment is a mere suggestion. The constitution is optional to people like Mike “tiny” Johnson.

[tommbombadil]

The Democrats capitulated earlier and failed to use the fillibuster - their only real tool. If they can’t be united and shut it down with a huge approval - against a masked-militia that is roaming the streets and murdering people - American Citizens - with no investigation - then they all need to be replaced. Chuck Schumer is a poor card-player and unable to keep his votes in line. We need someone better in that job.

[eggrollian]

Reams have been written about collapse of the current world order and the disturbing behavior of the US these days. I would narrow in on abandoning the precautionary principle, a first principle of long-time societal survival. The Nordic Council of Ministers yesterday released a report on the implications of the collapse of the Atlantic Meridional Overturning Circulation (AMOC), calling for immediate development of early warning systems and a management framework as the world overshoots the 1.5C warming target. The US was a leader in climate science, but today the official policy is that climate disruption is a hoax. We have broken the global air conditioner.

https://pub.norden.org/temanord2026-504/2-impacts-of-an-amoc-collapse.html

[eggrollian]

Kompromat Laundromat?

[jmacaz]

“We’re on the same page,” Schumer said of House and Senate Democratic leaderships’ top priorities.

For some reason this is not very comforting to me. WHEN will the Democrats wake up and get NEW leadership.

[eggrollian]

Chris Murphy: A UAE investor secretly gave Trump $187 million and his top Middle East envoy $31 million. And then Trump gave that investor access to sensitive defense technology that broke decades of national security precedent.

Who is UAE investor? I’m assuming Witkoff, but could be Jared. Murphy needs to be more specific. Why such unround sums? Was it some other currency, securities, or perhaps precious metal?

[tacoma]

lol….JOHNSON is like a kid who wet his pants and is afraid to tell his norher

[alyo]

A right without a remedy is no right at all. Whatever comes out of this needs to include some access to state courts to enforce constitutional rights. That is, Supremacy Clause notwithstanding, Congress hereby permits actions against DHS and its personnel in state courts for willful civil rights violations.

[llwillis]

@system1

“This is being framed, I think, incorrectly, as some sort of immigration negotiation. It’s not,” Schatz (D-HI) told reporters on his way up to the Senate floor. “We just want ICE to not be the only exception among law enforcement organizations … that they don’t need warrants, that they don’t need to identify themselves, that they don’t have to be trained, that they don’t have to be professional and follow proper procedure, that if someone is involved in an officer-involved shooting … there’s no investigation, that they smear the victim.”

There needs to be an explicit requirement that ICE and CBP follow all normal ‘use of force’ rules that apply to other federal, state and local law enforcement agencies, including de-escalation. Not just automatic administrative leave and proper investigation when they use force improperly and/or kill someone. Including presumption of innocence, not presumption of suspicion, reasonable cause to take action against a specific individual, not just racial profiling and ‘detain first, ask questions later’.

Maybe some constraints on interactions with children and other vulnerable people. maybe some requirement to provide medical care. Maybe some requirements for humane detention conditions, including medical care.

[fiftygigs]

Members of Congress now have a behemoth task ahead of them: rein in ICE

…or lose your office and your special conduit to insider investment tips.

[ronbyers]

I listened to Johnson say that the 4th Amendment was unimportant and should be ignored. We fought a revolution over the first 10 amendments including the 4th. They aren’t suggestions. They are the reason we went to war against the English king. Next you are going to tell me that Roman’s 13 (the favorite bible verse of the loyalists and slave owners) is more important than the bible passages about the stranger.

[tacoma]

@ronbyers

I listened to Johnson say that the 4th Amendment was unimportant and should be ignored. We fought a revolution over the first 10 amendments including the 4th.

always keep in mind that JOHNSON is a southern sissy boy..i bet he stil calls his wife ‘mother’