New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo (D) on Monday signaled that the Phase III reopening process in New York City may not include indoor dining.
This is a companion discussion topic for the original entry at https://talkingpointsmemo.com/?p=1317748
This is a companion discussion topic for the original entry at https://talkingpointsmemo.com/?p=1317748
Every blue state should pause reopening. Protect hard won gains. Put in quarantines for folks traveling in from red states.
This past weekend I did pick up at a restaurant in LA. I was told that they just come to your car and drop it off in your trunk. That didn’t happen. Instead, there was a big line out the door for folks looking to dine in. I opened the door to see where the food pick up line was and saw a full restaurant in cramped quarters and no masks (even when they had finished eating and were chatting). Seating arrangements were insufficiently distanced imho, but besides that LA is just not ready for in-room dining. We have nearly 100k infections in the County. Two friends can go out for dinner, but they may not have been quarantining together and can infect the other even if they’re socially distanced from a spacing standpoint from others. But w/the A/C blowing stuff around and people talking, folks are going to get infected.
I saw my takeout bag, ran in grabbed it and ran out.
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These blanket quarantines need to go, those weren’t designed for this mass of people or this length of time, it’s really not a surprise that people are starting to get antsy.
Rather, you need better enforcement of mask-wearing while indoors, sanitary steps, and the like.
And biggest, you need the government to start paying people to stay home. When the eviction protections run out in July, it’s going to be an absolute shitshow. People need to have enough money to get by. If the government is going to continue to compel businesses to stay shut or limit operations, they need to figure out how to get enough money to the businesses and their employees to fall in line.
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New York already went through hell and I know no one wants thousands more cases and deaths. Stick to it New York.
Where I just moved, totally stressful, but that’s another story there’s a great bakery where you order one day and pick up outside two days later. Also, found a CSA and I drive to the farm, farmer with mask puts the produce into my car. These people at least are doing the right thing in a small city in the Shenandoah Valley.
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Virginia has done a good job so far, and as far as I’ve observed, with good compliance.
Northam’s decisions to keep a lighter hand on things and generally encourage rather than compel compliance seems to have paid off so far.
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Warm weather and sunshine are giving people the wrong idea about the virus. Masks and social distancing are needed to maintain our flattened curve here in the NE.
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Since magical wishing has NOT zeroed out Covid cases…
Just Cover Your Freakin’ Face!
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Same, Dallas County, Texas. I got takeout Friday evening and was completely appalled at how full the place was, how non-existent customer masking was, and how utterly eager all the customers were to loudly talk directly into each other’s faces. The takeout counter was right next to the bar, where three guys were sitting shoulder-to-shoulder drinking beer, one with a mask dangling under his chin. Ain’t going back there anytime soon.
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You can take two steps forward, then have to take one back. Or you can take baby steps forward, slow things down, and never have to fall back.
And we should think of coronavirus “hotspots” as not just that, but also as threats.
Whatever you may think of Governor Cuomo as governor, past or present, or how long it took for him to get going, it is clear that he is now justly held as a leader and sage on the subject of COVID-19 and how the state should respond. I am so glad he is speaking out. May he continue. Americans need his voice.
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VA has sort of leveled off vs. two weeks ago. That’s where IL was a week ago, but cases are now creeping back up.
Personally, I’m skeptical about the long-term effectiveness of encouraging compliance. I see more and more unmasked faces as the days go by.
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signaled that the Phase III reopening process in New York City may not include indoor dining.
In a sane world, no indoor dining, indoor churching, indoor theatres, indoor sports, indoor alligator wrasslin’, indoor… you get the idea. Indoor anything that involves non-trivial groups of people accumulating their exhalations in a normally ventilated space, is out for the duration. Amateur mutual masking just buys you a little more time in the shared indoor space, it isn’t a fix.
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Same here in Mesa AZ. Ordered takeout, and when I got there you had to go inside and stand in a huge line of unmasked people. My takeout is still awaiting my pickup as far as I know.
This was about 2 weeks ago, right when the numbers in AZ were nearing escape velocity.
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I wouldn’t have grabbed or eaten it. It was prepared in a high risk space.
Americans are supportive of necessary measures to control COVID-19:
Blanket quarantines are a blunt tool, but the non-Trump supporting population understand the need for short term pain for long term gain. We just need to ensure to support those who are bearing the heaviest burden, particularly by passing and implementing the HEROES act.
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It could be a regional thing. People around here almost all wear masks and mind distancing. The grocery store I go to early in the morning is in good compliance and does not allow unmasked people in the store. As far as take out in partially open restaurants, if it looks funny I’m outa there.
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Two months of real lockdown is all it takes to get the new case rate down to something manageable.
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Two months is apparently forever to a lot of people other than my grandchildren. Like I said in a post a few weeks ago, wearing a mask in AZ has become an intelligence test.
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The point being that when you use blunt tools which don’t really do anything except being the classic security theater, you do longer-term damage to the efforts. A person who comes in from another State who follows the same rules as everyone there is no greater of a risk than everyone else, given that it’s already in the State.
And they’re quite likely to be struck down by the courts going forward. At the outset of the pandemic, taking drastic measures was accepted because we knew little about this new disease. Now that we’ve got a much better picture of how it spreads (indoors and extended close proximity), need to take a step back and be smart about how to tackle this.
Sentencing people to home confinement for two weeks every time they cross a border line is not a way to engender anything but resistance to continued measures.
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Americans say that are supportive of those measures, but they sure as hell won’t allow anything to meaningfully impact their preference to do whatever the hell they want, particularly gathering together in enclosed spaces with bunches of friends and strangers alike. That’s a bridge too far.
“I was bored, and there’s nothing else to do.”
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It’s two months of real lockdown or years of half-assed measures with a rising death count.
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