Believe me, B.S. has earned every bit of vehement opposition that he receives. His complicity in the election of Trump is the most compelling. His party label has nothing to do with it, but is an irritant indicative of his arrogance.
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The machinery of the party is not necessarily the party in its entirety. Bernie has a strong anti-establishment appeal, and that means that he is going to take on the establishment, even if it is the one more closely aligned with many of his views. Not all of his criticisms are entirely wrong, even if many have been stated rather hyperbolically (and often by people other than Bernie himself).
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I don’t believe you, and my own observation of the situation does not align with your own, but obviously we disagree on this point. (For the record, let me note that I am planning to vote for Elizabeth Warren this time around.)
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To quote Josh:
Sanders says clearly enough that Democrats are better than Republicans. But the core of his political message is that Democrats are fundamentally not on the side of working Americans and that their policies and politics for decades have been failures.
It’s been clear to me for some time that if Sanders were to win the Democratic nomination his general election campaign would be as much a campaign against the Democratic Party — its institutional structure, its past, its most celebrated leaders — as it would be of the GOP. Indeed, I don’t think many of his top supporters would even disagree with this. That is their diagnosis of American politics.
Emphasis mine.
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The truth is self-evident, on these boards and elsewhere. B.S. is viewed with extreme distaste and repugnance by many.
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And beloved by many. (In a way, I don’t think you have to worry since I suspect that he is not likely to be the nominee in the end.)
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The aged, white male savior is an archetype for many.
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Presumably you apply that to Biden as well.
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Nope. I am just advocating for primary voters to consider the match up polling when making their choice in their primaries.
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I have no particular appetite for Joe Biden as the Democratic nominee. On the other hand, at least he’s a Democrat.
My choices are Warren and Harris. Either would be a welcome change.
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I tend to vote for who would make the best President.
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So the actual archetype that offends you is “aged, white male non-officially registered Democratic savoir.”
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I think we’re long past the point where we need to elect a woman as President. And B.S.'s registration matters less to me than the destruction he wrought on the Democratic Party in 2016 which was critical to the election of Trump.
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Maybe, or maybe not. I just hope that whoever our nominee is, and I fully expect to vote for that person in the general election, just as I voted for Hillary in 2016.
My larger point is that you should perhaps be aware that your arguments are extremely persuasive for people who already agree with you, and utterly specious to everyone else. (Of course, this is an online comments forum, so what else is it good for except blowing off steam?)
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I find it interesting that you believe that you speak for “everyone else”.
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Since everyone else is just people who don’t agree with you, why would that be a problem? I am certainly one of those who does not agree with you.
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I’ve admired Elizabeth Warren ever since the mid-2000s, when she used to write for TPM. I’d love to see her as our country’s first female President. But, thinking of her going against Trump, when there are so many people who simply are not ready to vote for a woman, I have to hesitate, not because of any problem to do with her personally, but instead the problem with the current electorate. We need to find our strongest candidate against Trump.
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How do you know what everyone else believes? Some may be agnostic, some may not care, some may agree but act differently anyway. It may be your opinion that my arguments are “specious” but you cannot possibly know that everyone else but those who agree with me find my arguments “specious”.
If that is your personal construct of debate, argument, and logic, then you can say that about anyone with an opinion, even your own.
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Someone who isn’t going to be elected President won’t get a chance to be the best President, even if they would make the best President in a theoretical sense.
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I certainly hope not, but consider it a far-too-real possibility unfortunately…
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