A Third Woman Died Under Texas’ Abortion Ban. Doctors Are Avoiding D&Cs and Reaching For Riskier Miscarriage Treatments.

An Evergreen Reminder …

“They tell you that there’s a war on women. There is no war on women. There may be a war on what’s inside of women, but there is no war on women in this country.”
— Perennially sleepy humanitarian Dr. Ben Carson

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I hate to say this but I believe it is true:

Trump voters see Black people dying and they discount it as not being one of them and they are the same people who resent the movement saying “Black Lives Matter”.

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It’s actually an interesting question whether white women in Texas are receiving the care these women didn’t. Do doctors step forward more quickly when it’s white woman bleeding out? Do they get more backup from the legal side to do that? Or is the fear or prosecution so great that everyone is in the same boat? I do wonder how the doctor managed to write down different entries than the nurse…that’s a doctor I wouldn’t trust.

I can understand the reluctance of the doctors to go to prison over what should be a routine medical procedure, but it may take doctors stepping in and saving lives in these cases where a miscarriage has obviously happened, and then going through a prosecution, to make it clear that what’s going on here is wrong. Until the law is changed or clarified, women will die…and the Republican Congress likely intends to try to pass an abortion ban to do the same thing nationwide. Trump will sign it too, you can be sure he lied about that.

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== misogynist values with the Trumpistas

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Here’s how Georgia responded to the ProPublica report of two maternal deaths there that could have been avoided.

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You will LOVE this /s

If you are pregnant and seriously ill/injured in Texas, they can ignore your Do Not Resuscitate (DNR) instructions.

I was angry when I saw this; the lawyer said it wasn’t important because I can’t be pregnant, but I’m furious that these God-botherers are happy to zombify someone for a fetus.

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There have to be some limits, and Porsha’s case might be the one to establish them. At some point withholding care that results in foreseeable death has to be malpractice or criminal negligence or wrongful death. Porsha had a blood clotting disorder. Surely, that’s reason enough to intervene. And the doctor’s suspicious notes would be helpful too. Not at all suggesting suing the medical practitioners, but the hospital chain can afford it, and has insurance.

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Great question with a complex answer. There’s evidence that people of color do get treated differently. For example, some medical staff believe that Black people don’t experience pain the same way as White people. To answer your specific question, one of the women that died was an 18 year old young White woman from Vidor. She made three visits to two different hospitals in two days before being admitted and dying, so I think the answer is no, doctors aren’t getting more legal cover.

That’s a lot. If the hospital isn’t going to defend the medical staff, that’s going to be a tough sacrifice. The hospital owners don’t want to have a state government leaning on them (and it will) for providing care to save a life by performing a procedure that fanatics think caused the death of a fetus. They don’t understand that a D&C may be needed even after a miscarriage, which is why we don’t need politicians legislating necessary medical care. The hospital attorneys are there to protect the hospital and reduce risk. They know it’s easier to deal with a potential suit from a patient’s family than legal action from the State of Texas. In addition to jail, the doctor could lose her license and reputation.

It makes you wonder why OB/GYNs would continue to practice in hospitals in Texas and other states with Abortion bans.

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My niece is an OB/GYN. She practices both in Pennsylvania and New Jersey. She would never move to a state with an abortion ban.

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Because the worst possible outcome for any situation anywhere is that a woman have autonomy/control over her own life/body. In any way at all. There is nothing worse than that to them. Which says so much more than they realize about them. SIGH.

ETA: “zombify someone for a fetus” – it’s already happened at least once. The lawyer said it wasn’t important? Maybe this was while you were setting up your orders. What a typical thing to say, as with “post-menopausal women can’t get pregnant, so why should they care about abortion?” The idea that self-interest isn’t everything (let alone that women have any kind of bond with other women) is foreign to them. I guess I did “love” this, so I’ll say: “Thanks!” :rofl:

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They’re coming for your DNR today, and your right to vote tomorrow.

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“The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.”

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They’re already leaving red states, especially Texas, where abortion training has become more or less unavailable. Searching for the particular article I’d seen, I saw that it started in 2023 with the Dobbs ruling, but is growing now. I don’t know what life in those states is going to look like in a few years. Even if you’re not female, what if you’re a man who wants a family that includes a live wife? Or anyone really.

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This news is heartbreaking. There are lots of Democrats in Texas. They need to find a way to win.

Doctors are already fleeing red states, and hospitals are having to shut down their maternity systems for the lack of doctors. If women keep dying like this, and doctors who aren’t true believers have that happen, they just will decamp to a state where they can save lives. Long term, red states are going to lose their young women, who will move away instead of being subjected to possible death…which is the motivation for a nationwide ban, otherwise red states will die off as everyone who can leave does for a blue state where their daughters/wives/etc can get proper medical treatment.

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