Discussion: What Would Happen To Premiums If The Court Ruling Against Obamacare Stands?

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#22

Republicans will pay only if people can connect the dots. The typical “swing voters” are clueless as to how fracking affects them (even those living in a state in danger from fracking), how getting banksters out of the student loan business affects them (there is almost $ 1trillion in student loan debt), how the minimum wage affects them (they have not fathomed how increased spending power of more people helps the economy) or even whether they give a damn about the ACA…

Among Millennials the disconnect is worse. Here is a generation who lives with their parents more than any past generation and who have been polled as being far more libertarian than their elders, trusting the banksters and profiteers far more.

A recent analyst surmised that between Citizens United and the new libertarian bent of Millennials, there is a guarantee of a perpetual 50-50 split between Democrats and Republicans in the near future. And, because the Republicans are geniuses at Gerrymandering (taking care of the House), experts at the filibuster (taking care of the Senate), 50-50 means TeaBagger control for the foreseeable future.

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#23

So if I’m reading this right, the courts have just about doubled the cost of health insurance in all the major GOP states.

That’s some kind of genius planning to get votes for Republican, right there, I tell you what.

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#24

The saddest thing is that even at 56-44 it still means TeaBagger control.

#25

That supposes that Democrats are good at messaging…they’re not.

#26

When I was voting in 2010, I looked up and down the line and saw that my wife (aged 58 at the time) was the youngest person voting.

I spent my career as a college professor reading descriptions of the ignorant masses who defended slavery, beat their wives and slaughtered Native Americans.

In my opinion, these modern-day Republican voters are worse.

They have CHOSEN ignorance.

Unfortunately, the only thing that they have done “right” in the politcal arena has been that they are EXTREMELY diligent about voting. If they were not so (and if the young, single women and minorities gave a damn about voting), then McConnell, Boehner and Cruz would be debating how strong their own health care law is, rather than how much they wish to destroy it.

These people to whom McConnell, Cruz and Boehner attend (mostly aged 50 and above) are, in the words of a jazz musician I ran with, "straight trippin’ "

(a) They are the beneficiaries of a political system unmatched in history
(b) They are the beneficiaries of governmental policies resulting in things like public education, vaccinations, roads and municipal services
© Since 1865, they have been the beneficiaries of political boundaries with no belligerent neighbors
(d) They still have the rudiments of the Press (Rupert Murdoch hasn’t destroyed it yet)

And yet, they willfully choose to dismantle the social contract helped along by giants like LaFollette and the Roosevelts.

Because they are too willfully ignorant to go to a public library and read how unions helped to afford workers a voice, they are destroying unions.

Because they are too willfully ignorant to see the strides and benefits of public education, they are destroying public education.

Because they are too willfully ignorant to research and see how our infrastructure has made us strong and vibrant, they are willing to let it fall apart.

These modern-day destroyers of 2014 are not ignorant.

[The slaves were mostly uneducated
Many of the huddled masses of Ellis island were illiterate]

No…THESE destroyers have CHOSEN to be more misinformed than any comparable group of people in American history

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#27

If the state exchanges continue to work. let premiums rise in Dumbfuckistan. Let them suffer a while.

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#28

…and because our only hope to fight the GOP, the Democratic Party, is generally feckless, weak, unwilling to fight and generally willing to side against their own when the going gets rough. We are doomed. Split the Union.Leave Red America to it’s devices. Rome did it and it bought them another century.

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#29

Thanks, GOP and your activist judges. You really do care for the people, don’t you?

#30

New GOTea talking point: Obama raised your prices to distract you from Benghaziiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii

#31

How quaint… another civil war map that is not NEARLY historical enough…

This puts red state gov in a serious pickle when yer next door neighbor’s rates stay down and yours don’t.

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#32

A major blow to ObamaCare? It’s not even a respectable whiff and will never take place.

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#33

You can’t fix stupid.

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#34

Yep. Natural scapegoaters never blame themselves.

#35

They even throw women and children in front of their armed standoffs. The stupidity is mind boggling.

#36

Even if this is overturned on appeal, and teh Supreme Court doesn’t get involved (thereby allowing Obamacare to continue), can this still be used in this year’s election as a talking point for the Dems, I wonder?

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#37

A change of three words in the statute would render this moot. But the GOP is willing to make its constituents pay billions of dollars a year more for healthcare, or go without, rather than fix those three words.

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#38

This ruling doesn’t throw anybody off the policies they bought on the Exchanges, nor does it eliminate the individual mandates, but it does take away their subsidies – making the policies more expensive (although not as costly as non-Exchange private insurance which meets ACA guidelines). Whether the average voter will understand this distinction, and recognize it as another blow to middle class Americans by the right wing, is questionable.

If this ruling stands, the best-case scenario is that the states without their own Exchanges will try to undo the damage by setting up their own – therefore being able to provide subsidies and keep insurance affordable. However, since many of those states are controlled by Republican legislatures (like my Missouri), such a logical and beneficial reaction is unlikely.

#39

Of course when premiums do rise like this, no one will be able to pay them. And we’ll come full circle, millions will become uninsured. Now, Obama took TONS of flak for people having their insurance cancelled…even though essentially every one of those cancellations were replaced. Mostly with better insurance.

So where’s the outrage over this? The insurance companies sit quietly by…its time for them to speak up. The tax code has been their golden goose for decades. No other industry gets to sell you their product with pre tax dollars. They have additionally benefited from the Obamacare mandate. Its time for them to stand up and outline the consequences of this ruling.

That said, I…like many here…would prefer a single payer health care system. But right now…we have what we have…a system where one industry is the beneficiary. Repubs and TP will never listen do what they call ‘socialist Dems’. They’re also too ignorant to understand that employee health insurance has been intertwined with the IRS code for decades. They need to hear it from the source.

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