Discussion: Mark Cuban Will Be Front Row At First Presidential Debate Thanks To Clinton

[headhunter212]

Got Billion$?

[carlosfiance]

@natasbob

I’d appreciate if you’d follow up with our discussion and answer some of my points

OK.

@natasbob

Are we striving to be a moral nation?

Apparently not. But I’d be happy if we would just be a legal nation. Guantanamo, extra-judicial killings, illegal wars such as Iraq, are terrible for our reputation, at the very least.

[quote=“natasbob, post:149, topic:43936”]
Is it easier to make your argument with hind site?
[/quote] .
I; the majority of Democrats in Congress; tens of millions of other Americans; and probably the clear majority of the world’s population; were against the war before it started. Personally, I get no joy in having my doubts confirmed - and then some - about the dishonesty of the process, the lies and manipulations (yellow cake, mushroom clouds, mobile weapons labs, ad nauseam)

@natasbob

Do I base my beliefs on what society and my peers want to see me type on a message board?

I have no idea what you base your beliefs on. Me, I obviously am not looking for approval from this crowd of relatively uncritical followers of HRC.

@natasbob

Do I believe that everything the public is told is decfacto truth?

I’m assuming that you don’t. I certainly don’t, considering the lies leading up to Iraq, or a myriad of other examples.

@natasbob

Do I hold the post hoc fallacious belief that because of certain actions taken those that are not acted on are the better options?

Again, I don’t know what beliefs you hold, but if you’re arguing that things might have turned out bad if we didn’t do anything, sure, that’s possible. But the peer-reviewed PLOS study that I link to above posits that there were about 500K additional deaths than wouldn’t have happened without our intervention. Of course, something else might have happened, but I’ve never been a fan of speculative history.

@natasbob

Any totalitarian regime that infringes on the rights to life and liberty of a people should be acted against immediately.

Now, here, you have totally gone off the rails. First, the problem of what you define as a “totalitarian regime”. Egypt? North Korea? Tajikistan? And then, let’s assume that definition is not a problem. We have a really bad track record of imposing systems on other peoples. And let’s not get started on the costs in blood and treasure that such a liberal policy of intervention any time there’s “infringe(ment) on the rights to life and liberty of a people”.

@natasbob

Thank god the French agreed with me during the American Revolution: however, given the choice to vote on that decision once again, would they still say yay?

Yeah, and then we turned around and stayed neutral when the French were being attacked:

From 1790 to 1794, the French Revolution became increasingly radical. After French King Louis XVI was tried and executed on January 21, 1793, war between France and monarchal nations Great Britain and Spain was inevitable. These two powers joined Austria and other European nations in the war against Revolutionary France that had already started in 1791. The United States remained neutral, as both Federalists and Democratic-Republicans saw that war would lead to economic disaster and the possibility of invasion.

Of course, the French forgot pretty quickly about human rights when they reinstituted slavery in Haiti, and then later, after the Haitians successfully revolted, they saddled them with crushing debt which continued for 175 years or so. So you’re right in that I would have preferred the French during our Revolution. Except for the monarchy part.

@natasbob

Leaders lead in the moment with the information they are provided. Followers straddle the fence and complain when things go astray.

Half a million people die; we have ISIS raping and killing people and destroying world heritage sites, and you want to laud the leadership qualities of the fools and/or cynical fucks who voted for the war.
Brilliant!
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[katscherger]

@playitagainrowlf

let’s see how he responds to a little unconventional warfare thrown back at him.

Absolutely!!!

[carlosfiance]

@natasbob

I’d appreciate if you’d follow up with our discussion and answer some of my points as opposed to tantrums.

@natasbob

I’m not interested in what someone told you to believe.

@natasbob

If you read, and understood my previous post:

@natasbob

Do I base my beliefs on what society and my peers want to see me type on a message board?

@natasbob

You got any substance?

And finally:

@natasbob

However, looking through posts I see I failed to spot your MO.

Well, I have spotted yours.

[twowolves]

Cuban is a Yinzer.

The steel is in the blood.

The blood is in the steel.

Cuban came up from very little. No wonder he has no respect for Donnie.

[fgs]

Maybe he’ll show up in a giant orange mohawk wig.

[benjoya]

so there will be one billionaire present

[clauscph]

@natasbob

“I like them younger and darker.”

“And with bigger hands”

[natasbob]

We are in agreement on the majority of your responses. Facts are facts and I’m not a fool.

My simple argument: if given the obligation to vote to go to war with a toltalitarian regime:

-A system that strives to control every possible facet of its adherents lives-

Which way should a moral person vote? Many of the places you list indeed fit this description. These regimes do not have merely local aspirations. Not only the USA, but also humanity hold the obligation to resist this.

Unfortunately, the world has shown again and again that it is not wholeheartedly interested in this pursuit and this is a large reason why we have failed in our attempts; also we fail to have adequate long term plans and viable exit strategies creating power vacuums. I do not know the exact solution to that.

You are correct in the circumstances being idealistic and not sustainable / affordable in man power and funds etc. to just go out and fight them all.
This is not my argument. Simply that I would have voted “yay” at the time knowing the history of Hussein is my argument.

The French, as you have pointed out would mostly agree that Nay was the correct vote for involvement with the revolutionary war in hindsight.

Wars are fought for politics and not moral imperatives. I think we agree on that.

Obviously HRC doesn’t believe as I do or she would be willing and able to defend her vote. Regardless of if I’m wrong or right- arguing against what I am condoning in its simplest form is politically difficult.

I apologize for offending you. Not my purpose.

[jw1]

@natasbob

I apologize for offending you. Not my purpose.

No. That’s my job.
And I’ve been off-site nose-grinding a project to fruition these last 5 weeks.

But I’m back punching the TPM clock this morning.

jw1

[natasbob]

Hopefully it involved trolling the shit out of breitbarters?

[jw1]

No sir. Actually the most apolitical period for me in, well, decades.

jw1

[sherlock1]

@system11111111111

Mark Cuban Will Be Front Row At First Presidential Debate Thanks To Clinton

A bit OT, but I just now saw on MSNBC, toadie fascist asskisser with the most punchable smug Joker-grinning face, Hugh Hewitt said he doesn’t believe in fact-checking at the debate because “Facts are a very subjective thing.”
(*??? Echo here of Bonzo Ronnie Reagan’s “Facts are stupid things.” remark, huh? Only today, for the Rethugs, that is no slip of the tongue; it is REALITY. )

I can’t even…gawwwd’! Repuke Trump toadies want that bar below the ground for the vacuous, no-nothing, screeching and insulting banshee YamMan and not just lowered.

(I just want Clinton to come out, shake Agent Orange’s hand and, looking down, remark, “Oh my goodness! They ARE tiny hands. Good luck.” )

[sherlock1]

Here’s your morning pick-me-up. Listen often and repost often___and don’t forget that the most deplorable creature associated with the “Basket of Deplorables” in the Trump campaign freakshow is the candidate himself.

[katscherger]

I’ve wondered where you’d been. I’ve missed your wit and insight.

[katscherger]

Isn’t HO a germaphobe, too? Maybe Secretary Clinton could say that she’d been to the ladies’ room and had forgotten to wash her hands.

[katscherger]

Thank you for posting this.

[mbodlomane]

LOL… Called it! The Donald, however crazy, is not that hard to predict, it would appear. Sad!

[semiotix]

Ha! You clearly have a deep understanding of the mind of Donald Trump. I feel mean just saying that.

[booch221]

Gennifer Flowers Agrees To Join Trump At First Presidential Debate

I was close…but no cigar.