Suppose you’re the girl in pink. Can you do that? Employ a little empathy?
You’re the girl in pink. Your attacker is on you. She’s strong and fast and swinging a big knife like she means to cut you clean in half. The car blocks your most direct escape. The knife is coming
How long should the cop wait before shooting? What, in these circumstances, strikes you as a decent interval? I’m hearing complaints that he shot ten seconds after leaving the car. Should he wait another ten? Answer fast. The knife is coming
I am commenting on the time it takes someone to process a command from the police. If you are describing this correctly then the officer will be found to have made a justifiable decision to shoot since they had no idea who was the aggressor and the caller.
I am at the point where I can’t watch another video, I can’t keep watching another video, and I’ve learned that in any situation more info will come.
I still stand by my comment that the one yelling commands needs to allow time for the hearer to hear and process.
It was more than that. Have you seen the body cam video? It’s on CNN. The girl who was shot was practically on top of another girl with the knife drawn back and about to stab her. The cop made a quick decision to shoot the girl with the knife to stop the attack, which could have been fatal. It wasn’t a small knife.
There are going to be questions about whether he could have used a taser instead, or whether it was necessary to fire four times. But cops are allowed to use deadly force to prevent someone from being harmed or killed, and this looks pretty clearly like one of those situations. Look at the video, especially the slowed-down sequence.
Yes, the public is going to get to explore the ugly interface between justifiable, necessary, reasonable, and a bunch of other concepts. It’s not like the shooter had several minutes to think about about it while bystanders around him pleaded with him to not pull the trigger.
There’s more to that Adam Toledo shooting also. I put some of the blame on the 21 year old gang banger who handed Adam the gun when police arrived because he didn’t want to be caught with it due to a previous felony gun possession charge. Ruben Roman put Adam’s life in danger more than anyone else.
Not absolving the cop at all because I’m not familiar with all aspects of the shooting. But 13 year olds should not be out with a 21 year old gang banger shooting a gun in a Chicago alley at 2:30 AM.
People are fighting and yelling. A girl is running wild with a knife. What do you suggest? Spray everyone with tear gas from a cruiser-mounted nozzle?
I really don’t have an answer for this situation right as it is happening, any more than for the Adam Toledo shooting where the policeman could not see him pitch the gun away behind his back an instant before turning with his hand empty. Maybe massive social changes that make teenage knife fights and nocturnal gun play less frequent?
Viewing the officer’s body cam footage, we see this young girl continue her aggressive behavior even after the police were right there on the scene. No respect for the law (like that Texas woman mouthing off to the police in front of Nordstrom’s) seems to be a contributing factor to this out-of-control use of lethal force by police.
But, but…according to all his family and friends he was your typical innocent, fun loving, hard working teenager. The absolute LAST person in the world police would have any reason to have an interaction with. Mom says so.
Reuters now has documented a total of at least 1,081 U.S. deaths following use of Tasers, almost all since the weapons began coming into widespread use in the early 2000s.
Bad snap judgement by a policeman at the end of a foot chase. The body cam video shows Adam holding the gun in his hand before he begins turning toward the policeman. The policeman can’t see him pitch it away behind the fence as he turns. He pulls the trigger just as Adam brings his hand around and is shocked as he realizes it came up empty.
Perhaps a foot chase was the wrong decision. But he sees the kid running away is carrying a gun and shots had been fired. What’s the right thing to do?
A mad and confused situation, to be sure. The dead teen clearly was intent on stabbing the woman in pink. But four shots with an intent to kill is surely excessive.
There is a male kicking the woman who is on the ground, apparently shoved there by the now dead teen.
Apparently the one who died was the one who initially called for help.
True, this situation vis-a-vis the police doesn’t neatly fit into the spate of recent police killings.
Yes, and the media spreading the final screen shot of his hands up without showing the instant before where he’s holding the gun is deliberate sensationalism. Click. Click. Buy!
4 rapid fire shots seems to be normal. I once watched a guy practice for his police academy admission and I remember it was part hitting the target/groupings and rapid fire. Basically he had to hit the target repeatedly/in quick fashion.
“a police officer yelling “Blue Lives Matter” as a group of onlookers discusses the shooting”
Ohio really is going white Christian nationalist. For an officer to incite people in that manner after such an incident should result in him turning in his badge and service pistol THAT DAY. He’s clearly not safe to have on the streets and its beyond obvious he has ZERO respect for that community.
Because tasers are not all that effective in situations where everyone is moving fast. Tasers require physical contact, either direct or by wire. Unfortunately, a “phaser” ray gun that can be set on “stun” and act at a distance does not exist.
If a police officer is shooting someone, the intent is to kill them. The alternative would be that they are shooting someone having judged that they do not intend to kill them, which would be worse.
A firearm is a tool whose sole and deeply sad legitimate purpose is to cause death.
