Warren Isn’t Budging On Reconciliation Topline: ‘Other Side’ Should Make Demands Clear | Talking Points Memo

Perhaps Manchin and Sinema haven’t thought this thing through. AARP is on the warpath.

By keeping older Americans in the workforce longer means that fobbing the grandkids off on the grandparents during the day becomes incrementally more difficult. This will happen whether or not the two senators manage to block daycare.

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:heavy_plus_sign:: she makes a great point

:heavy_minus_sign:: :notes:hello January:notes:

We need to wrap up this legislation. The GOP is banking on chaos going Forward, and an empty promise deferred to the American People will give these miscreants a ghoulish excitement for their sadistic political party.

Picture the legislation passed into Law.

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Man, I really like Liz. So pragmatic, so always putting her finger on exactly what the issue is. It’s one of the things you see in a leader. You say what you want for Christmas and they come back with some pretty sharp questions about how exactly that can be done. You can’t just want stuff. You have to figure out what the steps are. She knows that much. For an academic, that’s rare.

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She wants whatever the corporate lobbyists who have captured her want, which is mostly for the corporate tax rate to stay right where it already is.

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It’s hard to negotiate with a) someone who blows in the wind and has no fixed position and b) a drooling idiot who can’t remember what she agreed to yesterday.

Schumer and Pelosi need to lock the two half wits in a room and bring out the rubber hoses until they get some semblance of coherence about what they want from them.

It’s impossible to negotiate with a moving target.

You know that Rep. Katie Porter was her student? I love it when they actually use their question time to ask questions and not just berate the witness for Fox clip.

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Well this is an avenue of questioning for reporters. Chase them down, make them talk.

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Would Manchin’s voters be happier with nothing? Could be.

I think Sinema’s brain has been fried by too much Arizona sun.

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Have any of them, Warren included, actually released a simple spreadsheet with the line items and costs?

Shouldn’t be that hard to do, and feels a bit disingenuous to have debates of this or that dollar amount when nobody publishes a damned list of all the things that they are putting in it, preferring to rely on soundbites about this or that general concept.

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The debating style mastered by Gym Jordan.
In all fairness, it rarely, if ever, convinces anyone of anything they didn’t already believe.
Except, perhaps, that he’s an asshole.

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If I were a Democratic member of Congress, I would have a mental picture of being able to explain what this legislation is doing in the coming months.

“We tried” is not the lead-in…

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Sinema never talks to reporters. Manchin talks to them constantly, but he only ever spews nonsense.

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More of this please. Senator Warren actually talked about the benefits of BBB. She spoke clearly about the childcare benefit in the bill. Then to the “moderates,” is this what you want to cut? All without mentioning their names. . And she refused to get sucked into talking about whether it is 2T or 3.5T. She is brilliant.

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I’ve read there are polls saying his voters want what’s in it especially if those with big money are asked to help pay.

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And that’s the sticking point for Manchin: Asking his big donors to divert their donations elsewhere.

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Also, the folks that retire earliest typically are the ones that started working at 17 or 18, did manual labor for many of those years, have health issues that prevent them from continuing to work, and have the least in savings to fall back on. IOW, the same people that always get the shaft.

ETA I think full retirement age should be whenever you reach 40 or so years of work. Folks that start working at 30 generally have desk jobs that they can continue doing until they’re 70. The folks doing construction, manufacturing, police work, the trades, etc. should be allowed to collect a full payment earlier since they start working and contributing earlier. The paper jockeys that make these rules wouldn’t last a week in some of the jobs they routinely dismiss as unworthy of recognition.

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Let’s see, Boris, you were warned by the IMF and many of your own economists that labor shortages follow a pandemic. Is that that you can’t read or just don’t care?

The economy has come ‘to a near-standstill since August’: GDP is STILL below pre-coronavirus levels while number of firms desperate to hire staff soars to record high amid ‘abject labour shortage’

The US has a much larger economy, but the labor shortage is also happening here.

AOC is also very sharp and comes prepared when it’s her turn to ask questions.

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As @ealleniii pointed out, the top line number isn’t the issue. Sanders, Warren, Jayapal, et al, are framing the issue properly. You cannot cost out a program until you define the contents of the program. That is precisely what Warren said as quoted in this article - “So start with what we need, tell me what you want to cut, and then we’ll figure out what the dollar is.”

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