VA AG To Investigate Police Pepper Spraying A Black Army Medic During Traffic Stop

It is image of MN LEO standard issue taser. I have no reason to believe ANY officer in MN would have a different one.

Great!
Smart.
She gets to keep her pension.

This would be covered if the driver calls 911 and keeps them on the phone. As it was explained to me the driver calls 911 to check that a police office is in the area, that the officer has radioed in to the station that they are attempting a stop on such and such street or section of highway. The 911 operator is the link between the cop and the driver.

There is no statewide standard. Cops are equipped with whatever their department issues them, and there are many different models for departments and their officers to choose from.

And if there isn’t a lit, safe place for several miles of road

Puleeze, every cop car and emergency vehicle I’ve ever encountered has a vary large, LOUD bull horn. 1. they don’t want to get killed when they get out of their vehicle due to oncoming traffic. 2. In Ca. at least, CHP officers are immediately fired if they attempt to engage the motorist on the drivers side (too many dead ones i hear)

Therefore every encounter I’ve had involves them telling me repeatedly when and where to pull over as they flash their lights and ride my bumper.

I can see Jackie Gleason right now…

Many upthread contend it’s not the officer’s call as to where and when you pull over. It’s the driver’s prerogative to do as they please, it’s their judgment that dictates the situation, the tailing police officer can just cool his heels and wait.

That’s one hell of a twisting of the idea that you don’t pull over where it’s unsafe to do so, and you should make a reasonable attempt to pull over in a well-lit place, for your own safety and that of the cop. The cop has a responsibility to public safety, and not to expect or compel you to do something unsafe.

Someone comes up behind you flashing lights on a dark road in the middle of the night, it’s probably a cop, but it might just be a guy with bubblegum who’s considering wearing your hair as a wig.

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I’m white and female in an upscale car; probably why I get the ‘courtesy’ call over the bull horn.
I’m pretty sure that most LEOs with just a tiny bit of common sense can recognize a slowly driving car and the attendant head swiveling from the driver as a sign of someone looking for a pull off space.
With that said, seeing a driver looking straight ahead and not slowing down sends a whole different massage. I’m pretty sure they can tell the difference.

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Once again, we are comfortable demanding that random members of the public remain calm and suppress their instinctual “fight or flight” response, while the people who are trained for these situations are allowed to excuse egregious mistakes because they got scared and panicked

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Concurrent with the racially biased casting was a continual stream of plots wherein our hero has to break the ticky-tacky dept. rules in order to nail the bad guy who he just knows is guilty.

Rules are for chumps, your hunches are always correct, and if you suspect that black dude is up to no good you’re morally obligated to bust him first and find the evidence afterwards. What does a steady stream of that do to your subconscious?

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As MN resident I’ve posed your assertion to MN LEO about department tasers. Interestingly, his response was, “doesn’t matter, doesn’t change outcome”

True. Yet, none of those variables are at play here. He was an ACTIVE military & said so. Gutierrez knew there was none of those factors. Yet he retorted “you should” in response to driver saying he was scared as he was looking at drawn gun in his face.

@ jeff

Potter was a trainer in MN case. It’s not training. It’s bias. The fact that non-black drivers have no such PTSD when stopped demonstrates it’s NOT training. It’s humanity & bias towards black drivers. They KNOW what to do. Yet, when driver is black we are suppose to think the brutal violence inflicted on them is training issue?

I call BS. It’s racism. And it’s about being black! AsianAmericans complain about “pedestratian” violence. Not LEO brutality.

They know how to act as trained …Driving While Black somehow means it’s training? . Gmafb

Uh folks, Stevie was making a (apparently too subtle for this thread) joke by eliding the VA and MN traffic stops. Honestly.

Been a lot on twitter about Windsor being a hold-out sundown town.

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When I talk about training, I’m not just thinking about tactics. Bias was implicit in the training. What I saw back in the day were people training others to have the attitude of, “better to be tried by 12 than carried by 6” and a startling denial of the humanity of black males. There was no such thing as deescalation.

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Yes. This is deadly problem with training. And the bias is focused on black males moreso than black women outside the south.

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