Trump Org Indictment Could Very Well Signal More Charges To Come | Talking Points Memo

Your optimistic post makes me very happy May all of this be so! Gassho. :pray:

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The film Hurricane featured a scene in a local NJ bar and a reporter looking for an angle got Hurricane Carter to make an ill-advised statement.

Which caused trouble

Every person who saw the film and that scene knew what was going on.

People should recognize the purpose of words more than they do.

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Once you have participated in criminal activity, you are not going to find it easy to walk away, even if you want to …

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Nah. They had a warrant to surveille whoever Tukkker was communicating with and, once again, some dipshit Trump KKKultist found himself on the receiving end of news that his communications, which probably contain some damning shit, had therefore been captured LEGALLY and incidentally/ancillary to said warrant (just like what happened to Flynn). He found out because some deep-state Trumper still at NSA picked up the phone to give him a heads-up that he needed to start making accusations and throwing a nutty in order to do pre-emptive damage control.

My guess remains that it’s from Rudy’s devices that were seized as part of the investigation into Rudy’s idiocy of trying to use known Russian assets in Ukraine for foreign election interference and the Hunter Biden attacks.

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Couple days? I’ve been pondering that (despite the OIC memo) since Cohen’s plea deal was released.

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If you want to take down TFG, you need all your ducks in a row. They have a strategy. My bet is TFG comes last. If you have Weisselberg on trial, clearly guilty of tax evasion, few MAGAts on the jury will feel inclined to let him off. A Trumpist judge probably won’t, either. Then you do the Trump Org, again, clear tax evasion and conspiracy to tax evade. A bit harder sell, but in your trial your don’t have to mention TFG. Then, when they are convicted, sentenced, the verdict is clear, when you put TFG on trial, you’re not relitigating these issues.

Plus, if you take away his henchmen and a big chunk of his money (what are the chances that the Trump Org owns Mar-a-Lago, not TFG himself, you make it harder for him to defend himself. You end up with “everyone does it” as a defense, which, legally is a confession to a crime.

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As far as the tax stuff goes, I’m sure that’s what they’re doing and there isn’t much time pressure because there is no statute of limitations on tax fraud (AFAIK).

However as @txlawyer points out, Cohen’s conviction with Trump as “Individual 1” was a campaign finance violation. which only has a 5 year statute of limitations. And it’s about to run out, unless they’re sitting on a sealed indictment? I don’t know how that works.

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Trump has one skill - finding weak men. Weak men will do anything for a man they perceive as “strong.” Trump is an abusive bully, which terrifies weak men even more. So Weisselberg is more afraid of losing trump than he is of losing his freedom or his family. I promise you. Weisselberg will die before he flips and Fat Donnie knows it.

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There is a good argument that, to the extent the president is immune from prosecution while holding office (which is itself dubious), the statute of limitations is stayed during that time period. It’s obviously never been tested in court, and there is no reason they would need to test it with Trump. Just charge his morbidly obese ass before the October anniversary of the campaign finance violations.

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When Trump vouched for Weisselberg a day or so ago, too many people bought the spin. There is an art to snagging certain types of people with that spin.

Unfortunately

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Perhaps out in the Hinterlands but as a number of pundits have already pointed out, $900K in a city of $600K studio apartments doesn’t impress most folks in the Big Apple.

I don’t think the immunity is for life. But then the reasoning in that memo is beyond any rational thread I am aware of. It ignores Amendment 25 which allows a POTUS to set the office aside and take it back during the term. And the memo ignores utterly that we do in factb have a vice president who’s primary function is to take over in the event the preisdent is incapacitated somehow … like 11/22/1963 for example. Here’s the fancy non-logic of which I speak:

In summary:

“In 1973, the Department of Justice concluded that the indictment and criminal prosecution of a sitting President would unduly interfere with the ability of the executive branch to perform its constitutionally assigned duties, and would thus violate the constitutional separation of powers. No court has addressed this ques­tion directly, but the judicial precedents that bear on the continuing vaUdity of our constitutional analysis are consistent with both the analytic approach taken and the conclusions reached. Our view remains that a sitting President is constitu­tionally immune from indictment and criminal prosecution.”

RANDOLPH D. MOSS Assistant Attorney

General Office of Legal Counsel
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In my considered non-laywer mind Randolph D. Moss is and idiot.!!!
And as far as I am concerned it is well and truly past time to Indict Individual-1.

Please don’t think I’m in any way defending that sorry exercise in motivated legal reasoning.

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Call me obnoxious but when Trump does his perp walk they should make him do it on a ramp. #TrumpIndictments

— Buddy Winston (@BuddyWinston) July 2, 2021
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I am well aware of your feelings in this/
It’s all good from my point of view. I know you are not defending this travesty. That the statute of limitations is October is something I was unaware of. Somebody needs to get their ass in gear, warm up their typewriter and get to work.
Typewriter (snicker) I am revealing my age here. I graduated with my PhD before the age of “word processing”.
edit to add…
I have rarely if ever seen someone so in conflict with the law and still be free to play golf as trump is. Actions and statements would imprison anyone welse falls off him like he’s got kevlar for skin.

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Our department secretary used to make a good side income by typing papers and theses for us inept grad students.

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I still cannot type with more than two fingers. I paid a friend to type (page by page costs. More for graphs) my dissertation to the exacting rules of that time (1975).

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I think the 25th amendment was passed much later, in response to reagan getting shot.

I know and he actually participated in the WRONGDOING for 15 years and he continued the illegal practices too!

At one point does one realize, your caught with your hand in the cookie jar? What part of the evidence will he be able to refute? NOT MUCH!!!

He is acting like a greedy, self centered old man!

Maybe something a less corrupt congress would address head on with legislation?