it being a “case of firsts” trump should be proud they chose his records…
What and how the SCOTUS rules on this and the other subpeonas should be a pretty good indicator of where were heading as a country…
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Well, Kavanaugh, Gorsuch and Alito all have a reputation of being cheap dates. Especially the Kavman.
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Some folks would take 6 months to decide whether they should eat an ice-cream cone or a bag of shit for desert.
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That assumes they will rule against trump. You have more faith than I do in the right wing hacks on the SCOTUS.
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The article says “The Supreme Court will consider whether to take up that case at a Dec. 13 private conference.” as to the NY Subpeona…
While I really hope this is the case, I am not sure that it is. I have not seen an order setting this for conference, nor any indication it would not be put off. The order (https://www.supremecourt.gov/orders/courtorders/112519zr_7l48.pdf ) simply required Trump file by December 5, it did not set a response date for the House, nor say that it would then be considered on December 13.
I will be stunned - and someone should be fired it they don’t - if the House does not reply by Monday at the latest, they better be working over the weekend, but there is no indication it is addressed on the 13th.
The Justices really should move fast here, given an inter-branch conflict is at issue, and I think it will be a big tell whether they do or don’t take it up then. Roberts is the deciding vote, although I still have a little bit of hope that Kav will play it straight. I know Gorsuch, Allito and Thomas will not, and will play for time.
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@tierney Looks like bottom two grafs are repeated.
Glad for the article, though. This is pretty much the center of the Constitutional crisis.
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It remains to be seen. Throw in a rack of 16 oz Natties and Kav is in.
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Please tell me the private conference is not at Mar-a-Lago or the Trump International Hotel.
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Good thing it wasn’t tapes.
I thought the dresses were blue and the crime was extortion. Now it’s treason and the dresses are black?
If only the Founders had provided a Constitutional remedy for “the big stuff.”
IANAL so I won’t weigh in on the rest, but I’d be stunned - - and someone should be fired it they didn’t - if the House hadn’t already been working on the response. They’ve known it was coming for some time.
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The decision next week could be a bellweather as to how the SCOTUS might position itself in these proceedings.
He reiterated his previous claim in the litigation that the “Committee’s investigation of the President lacks a legitimate legislative purpose,” alleging, rather, that it is a “a law-enforcement investigation about uncovering whether the President engaged in wrongdoing.”
There’s nothing lawless about this inquiry. It is well within the purview of the Constitution and the President doesn’t get to make that determination as to its ‘legitimate legislative purpose’.
In the petition filed Thursday, Trump argued that this was “a case of firsts,” because it was “the first time that Congress has subpoenaed personal records of a sitting President.”
And maybe that’s because previous sitting Presidents produced their personal records BEFORE even taking office, unlike someone we know.
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Excellent reasoning - thank you! I also can’t help but think (hope? dream?) Roberts is playing the long game here and won’t be swayed by Twitler’s nonsense, but since we’re not referring to HRC as Madam President, well…I’ve been wrong before.
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Unfortunately those ads would invite derision by those who solidly believe that there’s no law forcing the President, any President, to reveal those records. I’ve had those discussions already with people challenging me as to whether I would do the same. My response is, if I’ve chosen to be a public servant, I knew what the expectations were when I made my choice, so yes, I would.
The problem with that theory is, they will show up to vote. They don’t care about qualified or unqualified, they will pull that R ticket as many times as they can.
What has not yet happened, and I would like to see the D’s do, is rap up the tax/financial records stuff into impeachment. They did so with the McGhan Subpeona, but I think they need to make clearer that they are doing an impeachment investigation of Trump’s contacts with the Russians and support of Russian talking points and his ongoing efforts to push a pro-putin narrative by abusing the power of his office. Given the demonstrated lies to congress (leading to Cohen going to jail) about Trump’s connections to russia, his taxes and financial records may be highly relevent to impeachment as well.
So it is not just the law making and oversight power that is at issue, but the house’s “sole” impeachment power as well.
Your instincts are well-founded but,
we should probably give scotus more time to show their true colors.’
If they even have anything that’s close to “true”.
I forsee a 5-4 decision if this is even accepted for review by the SCOTUS (which I kind of doubt.)
HOWEVER, the 5-4 will be in SUPPORT OF THE LOWER COURTS.
Their decisions are rock-solid and based on bedrock precedent and legal logic.
If the SCOTUS does vote (somehow) to uphold the President’s case, it is the end of the Republic and a declaration that Presidents are Above the Law and cannot be investigated by ANYBODY.
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Why would McConnell even wait? He’s demonstrated he cares fuck all for Congressional norms and precedents.
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Let’s see what happens - it still could go the way you describe, as to wrapping this up into the impeachment articles. If I’m reading everything correctly (and IANAL), ignoring subpoenas is a bad thing and could qualify.
Now, the tax records subpoena is with his accounting firm. I’m not sure how the SCOTUS review interacts with that subpoena and decision.
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If it’s accepted, it’s 5-4 for Trump.
If Roberts wants to keep his hands clean, he’ll ensure that cert is denied and the lower court ruling stands, that’s the only way to not be fully dragged into the mess.
No way that he takes it, along with the hearing, only to turn trump down.
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