There has never been anything remotely consistent about the notion of “conservatism” as an actual ideology aside from it being a fig-leaf for greed and the protection of the wealthy few.
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re: the Founders -
I almost added to my comment “And they had a remarkably dim view of the avg. citizen’s intelligence.”
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If we can get enough people to believe that ICE killed Jesus, we might have the public backlash they deserve.
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Yes it’s that simple. Anything more is sophistry. The Constitution applies to the whole country. Injunctions against breaking it must also apply to the whole country. Also, what’s the alternative? I newborn getting citizenship in one state who wouldn’t be if they were born in the next state over? Insane.
We should be prepared to become what I call the Northern Federation. Basically all of the “donor” states may need to withdraw and leave the old Confederacy to die. We will take refugees, but anyone who ever voted for Trump will have to spend time being deprogrammed.
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They aren’t even talking about the 14th Amendment. They are nit-picking arcane theories about whether lower courts have any power to rule a nationwide edict of the Authoritarian in Chief can be blocked nationwide by a lower court.
Of course, when this Convicted Felon blatantly disobeys a 9-0 ruling by the SCOTUS, it is just too funny to hear them argue that only SCOTUS has the power to make nationwide decisions.
This is just more Trump playing the courts and the laws in order to keep on doing his crimes. Seems like at least one of the dastardly 6 should be able to see bullshit when it is so obvious to every one else. Once again it is the women, who call it and refuse to go along with this load of manure.
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Trump has always viewed the laws and the courts as a game that can be manipulated to his favor…in the very least to provide him cover while he goes along committing crimes while the issues are debated in court.
There really is only one way to stop a bastard of this type…
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Josh Kovensky wrote: “An appeal only happens when a losing party believes it is in the right, and wants a higher court to agree, overturning and adverse ruling.”
Uh, no. Just no.
Appeals happen for many other reasons, including because (1) the losing party knows it is in the wrong, but believes it can wear down or bankrupt the other party by continuing the litigation, and (2) the losing party knows it is in the wrong on the legal claim, but thinks there is a good chance that a higher instance will agree with them for political/corrupt reasons despite the law.
Both of these cases are highly relevant as to what has been happening.
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And we’re going to have to wait for cases to work their way up to SCOTUS before we can also hear their take on due process, free speech, the separation of powers and all of the other Constitutional issues they will decide to attack. And each time we will hear a clearer declaration that they don’t have to abide by court decisions. Eventually it will be clear that they won’t abide by SCOTUS decisions either.
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Ah… the reason for the Electoral College.
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I like this line…
“Your argument turns our justice system into a catch-me-if-you-can kind of regime…"
Though we been there for a while now…
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I respectfully disagree.
The Republican Party, like Donald Trump, did not create their base but rather what is now Republican Party base created the Donald Trump and the current Republican Party.
There was a time when Conservatism meant paying your bills, judicial restraint except when “protecting the minority from the tyranny of the majority” and social acceptance of others which included strict enforcement of the anti-establishment of religion clause of the 1st Amendment. .
Remember, Ronald Reagan was the first governor in American history to sign a bill legalizing abortion, a bill that is still the most permissive ever signed on the subject.
Nobody politician to this day was more acceptable of gays and supportive of gay rights than Berry Goldwater who said of Jerry Falwell and the religious racists, “these people have no place in politics, they scare the hell out of me.”
When George HW Bush ran for president in 1980 he was like his Party pro ERA, pro-choice, pro-Civil Rights, and against deficits calling Reagan’s proposed tax cuts for the super rich “voodoo economics”.
However, lead by Reagan, the Republican Party abandoned all its conservative principles for power. By calling the Republican Party “Conservative”, you give it an ideology and credibility that it otherwise does not have or deserve.
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I’m not so sure about that. But they did believe that only an educated citizenry could possibly sustain a republic. Post-Revolutionary Americans, esp. in the North (well, chiefly in the North), were avid about providing more public primary education, and academies were founded to provide secondary education (including for girls). Even boys of poor or modest backgrounds, if sufficiently motivated and not waylaid by misfortune, could get a secondary and sometimes even college education. The growth of public education continued unabated.
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They also had read Thucydides closely.
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And that’s why I didn’t add it originally! I knew someone could provide evidence that they gave the public some respect, that we were a fairly literate and fact-based society…and it was an age of enlightenment and science was ascendant.
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I don’t know how many had sufficient Greek to read Thucydides – few of them, I should think. But they were certainly aware of Roman authors’ criticisms of 5th-century Athenian democracy.
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When it comes to arguing for birthright citizenship, I don’t understand why the principle of jus soli isn’t raised more often. It had been observed in this country since at least 1791 (except in the case of Black men, free and enslaved; all women’s citizenship was kind of ambiguous even after 1868, in that it was derived from her father or husband until the 1920’s).
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I live in the Southern District of Iowa. My state senate district starts at the end of my block, but runs all the way to Cedar County. Cedar County is in the Northern District of Iowa. If I drive south four miles, I am in Illinois, and thus in the Central District of Illinois. If courts in the three judicial districts issued different rulings on citizenship, could someone lose their citizenship crossing the county line or the state line? That’s how stupid this whole issue is.
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Yes, that’s jus sanguinis. T. Rump actually prefers it because it is also the vector for his family dynasty. He has spawned enough little monsters carrying his family name. Don’t Uday and Queasy have sons too? It’s an infestation.
I’m off to bed. Morning comes early this time of the year.
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I listened to large parts of today’s argument. Based on what I heard the ruling is going to be either 9-0 or 7-2. I suspect the administration probably lost Alito and Thomas. The government’s performance was really, really bad.
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Watching the “peace talks” in Istanbul today, I begin to wonder if the Trump administration has peaked already. Americans specialness since even before we were a country has been based on despising aristocratic systems of patronage. We loved the “division of power” ideas of Michel de Montaigne, otherwise you’d just have an executive who just appoints his friends, cronies, or people he’s seen on tv. Putin’s Russia, of course, is more autocratic and much farther down the path to having a leader above the law and rule by (capriciously enforced or imagined) laws rather than rule of law, but Trump even today seems happy to got to there. Ukraine gets this and throws it back every day, even as Trump has allowed Putin to send ballistic missiles and drones at Ukrainian civilians every single day since Trump’s second inauguration. No matter how weak or lickspittle legislative Republicans have become, there is something unnatural, too creepy, repulsive, about the people in the unitary executive cult. Putin feared this kind of exposure in Istanbul, as did Trump, who would much rather chum around with wealthy unelected monarchs that will have him. It’s just a really weird historical moment for the world, a moment when at least some people are beginning to see that this “multipolar” or whatever reordering of global power is little more than neo-feudalism that offers little to most people compared to the benefits of electoral democracy. Tone-deaf Putin tapped (really) former Minister of Culture Vladimir Medinsky to head the Russian side delegation. This would be something like sending Lauren Boebert to head US nuclear disarmament talks with Iran. Medinsky is a dedicated believer in Russky Mir (an ethnic Russian world). Certainly Ukraine has not been silent on Putin’s stunt, so what is Marco “low expectations” Rubio waiting for? Americans are beginning to wonder.
Update: The meeting with the Russians did not, ahem, go well.
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