Must I?
They’re also examples of us not saying our morals are more valuable than saving lives. Or do you think everything we did in WW2 was moral? Firebombing cities? Shooting prisoners? There’s a reason we decided a lot of the shit we did was gonna end up considered War Crimes, going forward.
Why would Israel bend? You think China gives a shit about human rights abuses? Ask the Uighers. And yes, China would jump at the chance to be Israel’s patron. It gives them heavy influence on Israel’s tech sector, including tiny companies like Intel. It would give them immediate access to shit we definitely don’t want them to be able to examine, like the F-22. JFC, you think they wouldn’t leap at an asset like that, that isn’t just neck deep in American hardware, but provides a lot of the electronics we use?
China: see above. Russia: One of Russia’s only avenues for western microprocessors and hard currency right now is Israel. Also a customer for Russian oil. Gosh, I wonder if Russia’d be interested in that?
Given your scenario means they wouldn’t have American protection, why wouldn’t they? And, since America just bitched out of a war we started after less than 6 weeks, while Russia’s been able to maintain a war for over 4 years… are you sure they’d see it as ‘lesser’?
You know fly-by-night American companies like Lockheed license tech from Israel, right? Not to mention..
https://www.rafael-usa.com/capabilities/
A subsidiary of an Israeli company.
Don’t go falling into the trap of thinking their home-grown stuff isn’t wound all around our capabilities.
Ask the ones that didn’t die, that would have.
Any kids who got medicine, food, water, Yeah, we did that. Because Bibi cut off the humanitarian relief, remember? It only got opened up at all because we made that push. The daily breaks in bombing for distribution of aid, our doing. This is exactly what I’m talking about. You’re waving 30k dead kids around while insisting there should be 100k dead kids, instead.
Your arguments amount to “US is weak and can’t make a client state bend”
I contend that isn’t true.
Even Trump made Bibi eat a ceasefire in Gaza
(Sure it’s limited, but he hardly threatened much to get it)
So could China take on the Patron role? Sure.
Is that transition easy? Smooth? Or even guaranteed to work? Of course not. That risk alone will have Israel bend rather than risk break.
No, my arguments are: unless you are willing to use force, the man who is, will. Israel has never forgotten both Carter and Reagan ordering them out of Lebanon in the 70s and 80s. They spent 40 years ensuring we could never do that again.
No, Trump did not make Bibi eat a ceasefire. Trump got Bibi to agree to a ceasefire and then resume firing whenever the hell he felt like it. He ‘got’ Bibi to do exactly what Bibi wanted to do: defuse domestic tension some by getting the hostages back, and still being able to keep going after Hamas, all while ‘Look! A Ceasefire!’ got Gaza off the front pages world-wide.
Trump didn’t threaten anything. He and Bibi basically pointed at nothing and shouted ‘LOOK, WHAT’S THAT?!?!?’ and the world press obediently looked away from shit the West didn’t want to admit to seeing in the first place. Have you noticed Israel took more of the Golan as part of the ‘ceasefire’? Have you noticed that even though that was totally all about internal strife in Syria, Syria getting their shit sorted didn’t result in Israel giving any of it back?
Meanwhile here you are saying ‘I don’t care how many die as long as my pants stay white’.
No, i’m saying we use our leverage to bring them in line and it will work.
If it doesn’t, we never had control anyway.
That’s what we did. I don’t know where you got this idea we’ve had actual control over Israel… ever, though. We’ve had a degree of influence that’s steadily waned over the decades as they’ve made themselves less dependent on us, but control? Not for a heartbeat.
JFC, and I thought I was arrogant.
Ah, better comparison would be to 10/11/2001. And no I wasn’t worried that he would start WWIII, invade Iraq on flimsy pretext yes. But when the Cletus Safaris go out looking for real Americans they always talk to MAGA/GOP folks. And they’re afraid anytime one of their psychos isn’t in charge.
Yep - according to her, never happened.
Bullcocky……
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This makes no sense - was this what she was defending against, or was she defending against even knowing the guy? No one asked if she was a victim, did they?
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Something is up with Melania. She wouldn’t just make a statement like that out of the blue.
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I don’t know how you can tell something is up with that mannequin. I’m sure her name shows up in the files somewhere and maybe she’s trying to get ahead of it, but it’s too late for that nonsense.
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Ask Netanyahu, the guy who killed them.
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