most of the fentanyl consumed in the USA is home made.from what i’ve read.it is quite easy to make…
i think you nailed it here…no country will ever ‘trust’ the USA again…a country of liars and killers.
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Gee… It’s almost like it was planned that way .
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It was.
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Trump primed the pump for months with the oft repeated “Stolen election”
Trump repeatedly invited the mob to be there on that day.
Trump whipped the crowd into a frenzy, and pointed them to the Capitol.
“… fight like hell and if you don’t fight like hell, you’re not going to have a country anymore.” Them’s fightin’ words.
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Them’s routine political speech protected by the First Amendment. No court in the country would let it go to trial based on the speech alone.
Learn yourself some Brandeburg v. Ohio.
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Where might incitement to riot fit into this? That seems to be what Trump used, or rather in my view abused his free speech right to do.
“ AI Overview**
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Incitement to violence is the act of encouraging someone to act in a violent or angry way. It can be expressed through speech, writing, or other means. Incitement to violence is different from simply expressing beliefs or ideas.
In the United States, incitement to violence is a felony under federal law. It is illegal to intentionally persuade someone to commit a violent crime against a person or property. The law also includes threats of violence if the threat could be acted on immediately.
Incitement to violence is not protected by the First Amendment. The Supreme Court established this standard in its 1969 decision in Brandenburg v. Ohio.”
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He did not, by his speech alone, incite anyone to riot. And it ought to be meaningful to you that even after 2+ years of investigation, none of the additional evidence uncovered by the investigators led to the filing of charges for incitement to riot. It was a conspiracy to defraud the United States and a conspiracy against civil rights (i.e., voting rights).
trump knew the crowd was likely to get violent, but he didn’t have to incite them to get that way.
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Right-Wing Justices Eager To Assert That Trans Case Has Nothing To Do With 2020 LGBTQ Win
Yeah right.
The English language is curious, especially the way this SC uses it.
For example the two words above, yeah and right, both indicate a positive, but together they connote a negative.
Their trans stance is transparently ideological, spiced up with a dash of bigotry.
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I find many of your posts illuminating. This interchange illustrates clearly our different approaches.
When I maintain Trump incited violence on Jan 6, I am using a common sense approach and invoke the plain meaning of the word, incite, see dictionary definition below, while you fall back on a legal abstraction. That approach reminds of when Mitt Romney’s famously equated human beings and corporations, “Corporations are people, my friend.” The law might treat corporations as people but that is a legal fiction: Legal is an adjective, fiction is a noun.
Trump incited violence on Jan 6, 2021, first by calling his minions to be in DC (the first half of his infamous tweet “Be there, will be wild!”, on the same day as a joint session of congress was set to ceremoniously certify President Biden had won the 2020 election for president. The second half of the tweet was a not so subtle adumbration of violence to come.
His inflammatory speech at the White House included this thinly veiled instruction, “I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard.” That was followed not long after with this sentence “We fight like Hell and if you don’t fight like Hell, you’re not going to have a country anymore.”
Legal abstractions aside, look at those two sentences and the definition of incite below, and tell me that he did not, in plain language incite violence at the Capitol. Take into consideration that the crowd, the incipient riotous mob, were almost entirely regular folks and not lawyers.
I appreciate free speech and the first amendment, but they shouldn’t excuse the use of any and all words in any and all contexts: The famous example of yelling “Fire!” In a crowded theater comes to mind.
“incite
Dictionary
Definitions from Oxford Languages · Learn more
verb
- encourage
“the offense of inciting racial hatred”
Similar:
stir up
whip up
work up
encourage
fan the flames of
stoke up
fuel
kindle
ignite
inflame
stimulate
instigate
provoke
excite
arouse
awaken
waken
inspire
trigger
spark off
ferment
foment
agitate for/against
cause
generate
bring about
enkindle
egg on
urge
goad
spur on
drive on
push
prod
prompt
induce
impel
motivate
make
influence
rouse
sting
prick
put up to
root on
procure
You have spent a lot of time on being tedious;
Ignore the message, attack the messenger.
Classic
I reiterate the message of your tediousness.