The Great Replacement, Explained | Talking Points Memo

First, George Kennan (yeah, that guy) was one of the early Replacement theorists, writing about the Balkans that its architectural beauty had largely been stolen by waves of invaders living in what they had not built. Long before Renaud Camus, Kennan said: "I believe that the healthy national society would rigidly eschew the importation of foreign labor . . . I consider that it should restrict to a minimum its economic and financial involvements with other peoples.”

Second, it’s literally essential to understand what Kennan got wrong, because the Left continues to make the same mistake – American immigrants aren’t “foreign labor”.

In this country, immigration isn’t about economics. It’s civics.

Legal immigrants are people we want; that’s why they are legal. Illegal immigration is something we don’t want – that’s why it’s against the law.

Bought and paid for by cheap labor lobbies (letterheads with foundation grants), the Left insists there is no difference between legal and illegal, permanent and temporary; between those we have invited (legal immigrants) and those we will not turn away (refugees* and asylees). The obvious, inevitable result is more people, with fewer rights.

Who really do replace Americans, since a citizen cannot compete economically with people who have fewer rights.

That prompts alienation, making the whole Left shtick about immigration prompting white supremacist reaction downright iatrogenic.

What’s the essence of American immigration? Citizenship.

Which depends on the rule of law.

*Strictly speaking, refugees are an expression of foreign policy, not immigration as such.

Read the book “The Guarded Gate” by Daniel Okrent. The Great Replacement / White Suicide racist screed has been around for over a century. The only difference between now and a century ago is that the “replacements” of the early 20th century were Jews and Italians.

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A world wide movement to recruit, arm and deploy white supremacists through the internet has been adopted by the Trump Republicans as their election strategy. Donald Trump has incited his followers to take arms against the people he blames for his failures. Skin heads who have grown out their hair and put on suits broadcast their same old ideas disguised as news and commentary. National agencies that should be investigating terrorist activities take none of the interest they showed in international and domestic ISIS suppression. A fractured America, with most Republican and most Democratic supporters fully believing the opposition party is wrong about everything, allows the terror agenda to continue with only token resistance.

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Listen, my children as now I do bitch
Of that traitorous turtle, MoscowMitch.
(sorry, Henry.)

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I’m waiting for someone to give me a list of the issues Republicans are correct about. I’ll wager it will fit on the back of a postage stamp.

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It would be tough to imagine a more harebrained, triple-bank-shot, cockamamie scheme than what the racist proponents of this repugnant theory allege. Latino people [aren’t particularly liberal.] The so-called theory doesn’t even make internal sense within its own little racist bubble.(https://www.pewhispanic.org/2016/10/11/latinos-and-the-political-parties/)

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Then the US was morbidly unhealthy from the start, since it imported foreign labor, both voluntary and involuntary.

But many on “the Left” (a stupid term because it implies a monolith, which is far from the case) recognize that the entire world can’t come here. And claiming that people don’t really believe what they believe but are “bought and paid for” is a foolish conceit, whether it applies to gun lovers (they really do worship guns and would do so even if the gun manufacturers didn’t donate a dime to the NRA) or people on all sides of the immigration issue (someone pays the bills for FAIR, too).

First, as you somewhat recognize, refugees are NOT coming illegally. It’s a right to ask for asylum and receive a hearing. The current Administration is wrong to deny that right to those who present themselves at designated crossings. The resources should be provided to give a speedy hearing, grant asylum to those who merit it and send back those who don’t, Cages and the like are neither acceptable, nor necessary. A great many of those claiming asylum have relatives here who would take them in and other can be taken in by a whole raft of NGOs while they await adjudication.

As for those who crossed without asylum claims, yes, the law says they should be deported. But the law is what Congress says it is. The “deportation raids” over a weekend netted something under 100 people and cost God knows how much. So, you ain’t gonna deport 11 million or however many in your lifetime or your kids’ lifetimes either. Grant them status and rights and they then compete on an equal basis with US citizens and legal residents.

That’s entirely consistent with the rule of law and the American tradition.

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Agreed.

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It is essential to acknowledge the fear. And it is just as essential to acknowledge the assimilation.

It reminds me of the scene in Spike Lee’s “Do the Right Thing” when Lee’s Mookie character pushes the son on race - who’s your favorite basketball player - Magic; movie star - Eddie Murphy; musician - Prince. The most popular person in Massachusetts is not Senator Warren or Governor Baker or Matt Damon or Mark Wahlberg - it is David Ortiz, three years after his retirement from the Red Sox.

My personal bugaboo, is how many of my tribe (ethnic Catholics) fall for the racist BS. We were the people that Whites used to hate. We were considered a different race, not black, but not quite white either. It wasn’t that long ago - the No Irish Need Apply signs and this quote is from a provocative nationalist newspaper but the sentiment was echoed in official state Department of Labor reports:
“The French number more than a million in the United States…. They are kept a distinct alien race, subject to the Pope in matters of religion and of politics. Soon…they will govern you, Americans.” — British-American Citizen (Boston), 1889

Massachusetts Bureau of Labor Statistics - 1880
“With some exceptions the Canadian French are the Chinese of the Eastern States They care nothing for our institutions civil political or educational They do not come to make a home among us to dwell with us as citizens and so become a part of us but their purpose is merely to sojourn a few years as aliens touching us only at a single point that of work and when they have gathered out of us what will satisfy their ends to get them away to whence they came and bestow it there They are a horde of industrial invaders not a stream of stable settlers Voting with all that it implies they care nothing about. Rarely does one of them become naturalized. They will not send their children to school if they can help it but endeavor to crowd them into the mills at the earliest possible age To do this they deceive about the age of their children with brazen effrontery They deceive also about their schooling…”

This is a brief description of a Klan in Massachusetts in the 1920’s. Why my friends and relatives want to join up with the descendants of the assholes who used to terrorize our grandparents less than 100 years ago drives me nuts.

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I’d like to know what they see as the grander scheme, i.e., to what end are they supposedly being replaced? Is it so that we’ll have a lower percentage of assholes and universal access to better Mexican food? Because if so, I’m starting to look forward to the replacement.

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One thing that all these guys have in common with Hitler and Stalin is the anger at white women for not pumping out enough babies.

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Honest, it helps to realize when you don’t know what you’re talking about.

Note that you completely missed my point – and proved it at the same time. Your reflex was to define immigration as unlawful activity, then assume a moral and intellectual high ground that you’ve never reached although of course you’d promptly abandon it if you could ever get that much traction in the first place.

If we cannot say “no” effectively, our “yes” becomes meaningless. That’s what drives more people with fewer rights for the Left – the inability to say “no”, at all.

Look up iatrogenic.

Then try again.

Maddow did an excellent job of showing the ties of white nationalism to the violence last night. She is being direct and moving the battle from the moment to understanding the idea it is a movement. There is a lot more for the media to do, but it seems to be happening.

One specific aspect that needs to be covered as well is the inclusive nature of anyone not a part of that movement. Eventually, if you do not believe as they do, they will show up on your door step. Being white will not be the shield some of us may think.

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Somehow the lazy ex-hippies who ruined everything and are grabbing retirement money from America are also the racist grandparents of everyone else who need to die. The common factor in agism is the wish for their speedy death.
gen X myself, if it matters.

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Freedom Racism!

Try 40 years. It all commenced when the far right got their first man in–Ronnie. Ronnie was the first one of them to really go after public education as a bad thing. It hasn’t stopped since. “Keep 'em slow” should be on money now.

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Consider agism as a possible contrived point of division. Deliberate and constantly promoted. I have wondered about that for a long time since it seemed to pop up and become a thing. One more operation trying to split us from each other. It is easy to do.

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Oh, I’ve been thinking that even during the Obama presidency when GOP kept making social security sound like theft. Like all you millenials would be riding high if those lazy old people weren’t strangling the economy by taking social security. It just started to be inserted in speeches here and there by middle-aged republicans.

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Damn, I hate it when people are succinct :wink:

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At least since the beginning of the Obama presidency. The sparring between what is considered old and young changed visibly. Hard terminology kicked in. Suddenly there was confrontation simply because people were different ages. It never felt like a natural progression. As you pointed out, the idea of victimization kicked in solidly. In both directions.

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