The Fight Over Abortion Pills Is The Fight Over The Post-Dobbs World

Though the anti-abortion movement notched a historic victory in the overturning of Roe v. Wade, it now faces a landscape where the medications collectively known as “the abortion pill” are increasingly accessible. 


This is a companion discussion topic for the original entry at https://talkingpointsmemo.com/?p=1446573

Resistance through chemistry. I guess that’s where we’re at now.

Anything that supports resistance to oppression becomes a good thing of necessity but in this case it is so much safer than a later-term abortion, or (an unwanted) pregnancy to full term for that matter, that it is both solution and freeing; a choice when choice would otherwise be taken away.

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I will aid and abet women seeking abortions in any way I can.

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mifepristone is 18 times safer than childbirth

And it was being restricted like an opioid?

I have to say that although I think the “fact vs. value” distinction means we can’t simply make policy “based on the science,” it is possible to make policy “against the science,” and that’s a clear case of it.

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The anti-abortion movement is now the dog who caught the truck. They fought so long to dictate their beliefs over the majority they never realized what would really happen if they succeeded. The midterms were a wakeup call.

Much like our last serious attempt to regulate ‘morality’, Prohibition, the end result will be abortions will continue and now because of the meds, the abortion activists can close all the clinics but they will never stop the accessibility of the medications.

I have been told by my pharmacist spouse that using mifepristone and misoprostol is the equivalence of labor and not an easy experience for any woman, adding it comes with all of the physical and emotional issues of any labor or any termination of a pregnancy. She added the meds are considered safe and certainly safer than an abortion procedure for a generally healthy woman. But, this is and always will be a serious decision to be decided only by the woman.

Do the anti-abortion activists think they can regulate the post office or FedEx or foreign DHL shipments in their attempts to stop delivery? I hope they have sleepless nights trying.

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Surprise, surprise!

The judge is Matthew Kacsmaryk. I’m sure the ruling is already written.
From an article written when he was nominated in 2018:

Kacsmaryk opposes same-sex marriage, believes Roe v. Wade was wrongly decided and doesn’t believe that the federal government should guarantee legally available birth control to all Americans.

Some of Kacsmaryk most extreme views are summed up in an op-ed he wrotefor the National Catholic Register in July 2015, shortly after the Supreme Court legalized same-sex marriage in Obergefell v. Hodges . He argues that, in legalizing same-sex marriage, the federal courts wrongfully toppled the final of four pillars — permanence, exclusivity, procreation and sexual difference and complementarity — that Kacsmaryk believes should underpin all marriage law. Laws previously on the books against no-fault divorce, fornication, adultery and contraception should never have been ruled unconstitutional, he says.

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I didn’t realize soon enough the Christo-Fascists only babble about the Taliban because they admire and envy them.

In 2015, Kacsmaryk wrote an op-ed for the National Catholic Register stating his opposition to same-sex marriage, no-fault divorce, birth control, abortion and sex outside of marriage—and his support for “complementarianism,” a religious belief that assigns primary headship roles to men and support roles to women based on their interpretation of certain biblical passages.

Kacsmaryk ruled that the Biden administration wrongly interpreted a provision of the Affordable Care Act as barring healthcare providers from discriminating against LGBTQ+ Americans.

Texas is within the Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals, which has a majority of conservative judges—six of whom were appointed by Trump. This same court repeatedly upheld the Texas bounty hunter law last year.

Most shockingly, the ADF lawsuit asks Judge Kacsmaryk to revive the 1873 Comstock Law, which banned sending obscene literature, contraceptives, abortifacients or any sexual information through U.S. mails.

ADF: “Alliance Defending Freedom”. The GQP abuse of the English language continues.

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The medical groups “judge shopped” to lodge their complaint in the court of an anti-abortion judge in Texas, which is governed by the notoriously right-wing Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals. If the groups are successful, it could stop the distribution of mifepristone nationwide.

If I were the Biden Administration or a State Governor I would simply ignore any ruling by a right wing judge political operative or the 5th Circus that violates Article VI, Clause 3 of the United States Constitution. The supremacy clause “shall be the Supreme law of the land”. Let them try and enforce any decision that goes against this.

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Better living through chemistry.

Genie has left the lamp.

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Can someone please explain the horseshit legal crap the states are using to regulate interstate commerce when regulating interstate commerce is the function of the federal government? Why do these stupid fascist laws even get a hearing? Why aren’t they just bounced out of a federal court?

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Short answer is, yes, they do. And I doubt they will suffer even a moment of reflection. After all, they are the foot soldiers in god’s army, doing god’s work. And if they have to murder every single woman in order to make them understand how much god loves them, then fuck it, that’s what they will do. See, the bad guys never see themselves as the bad guys. Everyone is the hero in his own story, whether you’re a Nazi, a slave owner or a religious fanatic. 'Murika! Fuck yeah!

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Nice to know that Judge Kacsmaryk believes that woman were born to fill two rolls in life, birth children and make smawiches.

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Assholes like this pusbag always make exceptions for their daughters. And mistresses.

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OT. From CNN. Supreme Court Did Not Disclose Financial Relationship With Expert Brought In To Review Leak. Michael Chertoff

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I just assumed it was a straight cash payoff.

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Curiously methotrexate, which is commonly used for rheumatoid arthritis, works almost exactly as well as mifepristone for early term abortions yet has never been restricted the way mifepristone has been. I wonder why more people don’t know this.

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I want to start by quoting Judge Gleicher from Michigan;

“As any woman who has experienced pregnancy and delivery knows, the process is utterly transformative of every bodily function,”

So my question is how much of this is really about abortion and how much of this is about controlling women through their sexuality?

I mean Hobby Lobby for example has no issues paying for a vasectomy but refuse to include any birth control for women in their healthcare plans.

It just seems to me that what is really at stake for women is all the gains they have made since gaining the right to vote. Birth control, and that is what abortion is, allows women have a future outside the home by being able to plan their family and not have to choose between sex, including in many cases sex with their husbands, and a life outside the home.

Or again to quote Judge Gleicher on the Michigan law that outlawed abortion and but for her would have gone into effect with Dobbs,

“The law also controls her ability to be the mother she wants to be,” she writes. “The statute not only compels motherhood and its attendant responsibilities; it wipes away the mother’s ability to make the plans she considers most beneficial for the futures of her existing or desired children.”

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The problem with this fight is it will give people a false sense that the pill will render moot the decision in Dobbs. For poor women it won’t. The only way to assure a woman’s right to choose is to address the issue head on at both the Federal and State levels. Chemistry isn’t going to repeal Dobbs.

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Have these troglodytes never met the internet?

If only. The real issue is Biden STILL thinks Tip and Ron are going to have a beer and solve all our problems.

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Freaking Michael Chertoff

I guess it’s a very old game, being a ‘paid’ consultant or regulator who gives you the evaluation you want.

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