The Cover-up of the Fatal ICE Shooting Is Already Underway

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At least with Obama and perhaps Bush 2, we had a guise of patriotism that ebbed and flowed, though @ times, but we fucking goddamn questioned it, because “sugary” (dumbass) patriotism led to stupider tragedy.

It’s no longer the voters fault (where true power again comes from) and depending on…

It’s this person or that quandary or the next upcoming tragedy that’s to blame.

Is Garland at fault?, no.

Even if, his Jack Smith appointment anted up a rallying point. However,

Is Gaza a tragedy ?, yes.

That plot is however lost and unending, hopefully uncensored, because those leading the charge allied with the worse fucking people. People who will inevitably abandon them because they aren’t allies to begin with.

Greenland is obvious and going any further will unleash…(self reflection).

What I said, I stand by, for a lot of reasons.

Pple want action, including Greenlanders.

The latter however resonates because it’s an SOS call to a still borderline apathetic and argumentive American population.

One who constantly ignores that the upcoming midterms are one of the few times to stop all of this.

However, I live in a country that wants action now. Ignoring that an opportunity was in 2024 and No Kings was last year.

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Hits play

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Ok, but none of that actually answers the question, does it?

What does it mean to ‘have a country’? What is ‘a country’, other than just lines on a map?

Is it common identity? Is it common culture? Is it shared purpose? Group identity is always a tension between in-group similarities and an out-group to contrast and oppose. The greater the perceived relative strength of the outside threat (or imagined threat), the stronger the internal cohesion. The greatest moment of recent internal cohesion we’ve had in the last 40 years was Sept 12, 2001, as people were forced to take the step past the initial reactions of the horrors of the previous day.

That’s not coincidental. Human beings, like other primates, are social creatures, but only within a certain group size. Past that Dunbar’s Number-type of scale, there needs to be externalities that force common interest.

And again, I’m not trying to start a fight, or lecture anyone. It’s a serious question that’s been weighing on my mind a lot as I consider things like ‘how do we move past MAGA?’ and ‘what can possibly come next?’, you know?

Historically, when great powers get to the point of being unchallenged… or feeling unchallenged… that seems to signal their fall… at least for a while. And it’s not to a real external threat, it’s to internal upheaval. The Fall of Rome came from the goths, sure… but from Visigoths already in the Empire, in essentially breakway provinces transitioning into the Visigoth and Ostrogoth kingdoms. Constantinople falls because of Ottoman cannons, but also because the Byzantines were weakened 150 years earlier when the city was sacked by Christian crusaders. China, over and over, fell to periods of dynastic upheaval from within.

The US has gotten into a lot of wars. For most of our history, we didn’t have the kind of military that let us feel unstoppable. We didn’t have a massive technological edge. And the information getting to the public was pretty well centralized into the large publication houses and ‘paper(s) of record’ of the day.

Since the end of the Cold War, we’ve had… moments, really, of unity. But now we’re into a period where… look, ignore Trump. Trump’s not the mastermind of anything. He’s the somewhat charismatic snake-oil frontman, but we all know it’s the Miller/Vance/Noem/Musk/Bovino etc crowd whispering in his ear to get him to put things into motion.

Most of them came of age at a time when US dominance was more or less a given. Sure, the older members of the cohort, the ones in their mid-50s, remember the tail end of the Cold War, but the US was the dominant partner in the West (and look at how they like to curry favor w/Putin, too. ‘Russia’ is a familiar dance partner for them). But the rest? The Wall came down while they were in middle school. They’ve lived in a unipolar world for longer than they’ve had fully-developed brains.

And since the 1980s, our cultural outlets have been fracturing and splintering. We’re not all watching the same 3 networks to provide those cultural moments. There is no ‘the last episode of M*A*S*H’ moment for them, or anyone younger, except 9/11. And at the same time, the growth of the internet has made us (in general) less connected to our immediate neighbors, more connected to the rest of the globe… but in a more diffuse, remote way.

In that framework… what is a ‘country’? How reasonable is it to even begin to expect unity and cohesion? And what’s to be done?

Serious questions. I wish I had anything even vaguely resembling an answer.

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Came here to say the same thing. There’s more projection there than at a film festival. :face_with_raised_eyebrow::face_with_symbols_on_mouth:

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:bullseye::bullseye::bullseye:

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Cat got his tongue. :smirking_face:

There was a kind of generic version of this during the Vietnam war. An officer or NCO would threaten a misbehaving pfc, who would reply, “What’re ya gonna do, send me to Vietnam?”

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I’ve been told by disaffected men who quit police forces that a cop who has killed someone attains a status among his comrades.

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Something like that has probably happened, but it’s mostly military folklore.

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Nice post. History and social sciences in general support all you say.
Our evolution as social animals seems to have equipped us only for wars fought with rocks and spears.

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Though this is perhaps the wrong path, are we starring at a dictatorship?

That was the gist of sniffit 's response to the Gallego tweet. I disagree with what sniffit typed and my reward is you asking me about my response to it.

Yes, I think we as Americans have a common id and it’s sometimes frayed by unforeseen stuff.

Are you sure that I’m the person that should be reading this?

This conversation again started with Ruben Gallego tweeting this,

And the person, who has yet to respond, saying (not suggesting) that the American experiment is over. If I’m reading this wrong, please explain to me how.

Please also do it without typing: “well these guys are in his ear and”, cause that’s some idiotic version of “good czar, bad boyars” tripe.

At last check this isn’t about ICE again, this is about an illegal land grab that’s evolving into one person’s opinion/understanding of the law versus someone else’s.

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Re-upping,

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I’d say rather that your response prompted a general question to everyone, about the bigger picture.

Is there a reason you shouldn’t? I mean, you clearly have thoughts about the question, right?

I think that’s a perfectly valid position to take, and I’m curious about why you feel that way, and where that common id lies and what gives it shape?

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Horses**t

ahem.

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Well, then since you claim to know my mind better than I do, feel free to answer your own question.

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I currently feel this way, because what I said, generalized or candied, is seemingly more important than a question of whether Congress actually has a say.

It’s also humorous that you find my position the important of the two. Hence my question, considering that you want to be Lucien Bonaparte, do you agree with @sniffit’s belief that we are currently in a dictatorship?

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Re-upping

Cause this “conversation” isn’t really about us talking past each other or even about cause (Gallego’s tweet). It seemingly about you either clout chasing (golf claps) or standing with a position that’s rather different than what was previously mentioned.

It also raises another q.

Though I welcome guests (within reason), I thought that I was on your shit list.

Was I mistaken?

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U now have my attention @arrendis , have at it.

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