Red State Opposition To Climate Action May Not Remain Entrenched For Long | Talking Points Memo

No federal funds should be distributed to States damaged by extreme climate events if their representatives in Congress dispute climate change.

Fix your busted states yourselves.

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Clearly you fail to understand why God created FEMA

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Not one square inch of the continental US will remain unaffected by climate change. From declining crop yields, increased pest and disease outbreaks, inundated land, and reduced drinking water supplies, I can see the day when open warfare could breakout UNLESS we address this issue now. It would make the water wars in the West and around the Great Lakes look silly in comparison.

If the rank and file Republicans think they can simply run away, I have another think coming for them. The folks up near the Great Lakes will want nothing to do with them taking their water as just one example. If you think the Canadians will be accommodating, wrong again. This is a global problem that requires global leadership. Something that is in exceedingly short supply.

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I’m going to guess the economic “benefit” is from reduced heating costs, which are quite substantial in some Northern areas. Likewise I’ll bet most of the cost will be for A/C. The messes from climactic changes are going to be much more consequential, but they are hard to quantify and probably not well represented here. Intermittent flooding, for example, will mostly hit coasts and rivers and offhand the chart doesn’t look like waterfronts are getting hit particularly hard.

I think they are admitting that the climate is changing, but going to their fallback position of “We have nothing to do with it. We just have to respond to this change that God has given us.” So by this logic they don’t have to take any action, but expect that their fellow citizens will pony up support when the troubles multiply.

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Yep. This is like predicting they’ll start voting against the NRA because the murder rate is so high. Instead of voting for candidates who want to address climate change, they’ll vote for the ones who promise them air conditioning and seawalls.

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By 2080 most coastal states won’t exist, so economic impact will be 100%.

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On the Colorado western slope, we had record snowfall in some places, and enough water to cancel last years drought but it stayed warm enough that most of the insects did not die out, like the pine beetles. The wasps are out in force, huge numbers, and very aggressive.

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He tried to hide behind the comment that subsidies should be redirected to storage.

However, his ideas on storage and the grid reflect utilities as being the only possible answer.

Myself, I say BULL PHUCKY, I have been 100% off the grid since 2004. 1st time was on a home I built, I purchased 10 deep discharge marine batteries from Costco at $78 per. Those batteries provided everything I needed for overnight. They also proved capable when an ice store knocked out power for my neighbors for a week. I was able to provide hot meals, laundry, showers and a warm place to stay for each without a thought about running out of power. I sold that place in 2016 and purchased my current, solar and marine batteries followed within a week. I requested the utility to clip the wires, they refused. They continued to bill me a monthly min usage charge, I refused to pay. Eventually they disconnected. The utility then took me to small claims, I showed the judge the photos of my main breaker box. No breaker bars installed, main breaker pulled. All wires were also disconnected. The only reason the box remained is that I did not want to touch the main line coming into the house. Judge said dismissed. To show how shitty the utility is they reported the unpaid charged to credit agencies. I replied with copies of my signature required certified letter requesting disconnect and judges order. Immediate removed from credit reports.

So here I am 15 years later having installed 2 solar systems both supplied by the cheapest and most common batteries available. No problems, no issues, and I have all the toys common to a “modern” American household. Electric heat/air, washer/dryer, dishwasher, TV, stereo, computers, etc, etc, etc… even an electric auto.

My take, utilities should be looking at HI for storage ideas rather than the AZ model of over charging and blocking solar installations. They should be encouraging everyone big and small to go solar or another renewable option. And once those installations are in place they should be tapping the resource.

Edit: Let me add, the deep discharge marine batteries have never failed and none have need replacement. That is less than $800 vs Tesla’s Power Wall at $6/7K.

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A big part of the hurricane cost is self inflicted by practices like building causeways and bridges across every ridiculous little swamp, bay and island. Those projects are a big past of what the so called taker states are taking. These are the costliest roads to build, and sure, they make it easy to get to the beach, while driving up real estate prices. The costs just multiply.

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You’re one helluva guy and with an infantry badge, too.

I think you’re right, that this has become a cultural issue with the GOP. I get why corporate America wants to muddy the waters on the climate change issue–the fix is going to cost them big bucks. But there is no explaining ordinary people’s reaction to climate change, i.e. that it is a hoax and we don’t need to worry about it, except for the conservative creed–they’ll take away your car! Make you ride the bus! Tell you where you can build your home, curb your FREEDOM. Meanwhile, the earth is being trashed so badly their grandchildren will suffer serious consequences…

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If I was an underwriter in these states I would be cancelling policies and raising rates, based on the inaction of the state and local governments.

It’s going to cost a ton of money to cover the increase damaged caused by climate change. No business model in its’ right mind would ignore those factors.

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Facts, as Adams famously remarked, are stubborn things. When the Gulf states see their land under water, people will change their minds. It’s coming, and sooner than we think.

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“Climate change doesn’t kill people; People who deny climate change kill people.”

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BTW: The word “data” is plural.

“Data” is frequently used in a collective noun context; collective nouns are treated as singular, even though the collection contains a plural. If referring to some or many data elements, treating “data” as plural could also be acceptable.

Well, OK then.

Louisiana has already been told by insurers that climate change now tops the risk list.

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Heard recently that the current climate fluctuations are what was expected in 60 years. Seems the models were too conservative. There’s only so much massive flooding and destruction ordinary folk will be able to handle before they pack up and migrate away from the chaos…have I just explained the migration at the southern border?

I think there are conservative voters who believe in climate change, but don’t think that it will drastically affect them personally, and that it may happen after they are dead. Consequently, they aren’t interested in anything even slightly inconvenient in dealing with the problem. (Conservatives tended to be concerned mostly about themselves, and only slightly about others in their immediate circles, and not at all about people they don’t know or who might be minorities or liberals.) By the time they come around, if they ever do, it will almost certainly be too late.