Oklahoma OKs The Nation’s First Religious Charter School

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This is a companion discussion topic for the original entry at https://talkingpointsmemo.com/?p=1459784

Good idea keeping the pedophiles remote.

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Just waiting for the Satanic Temple to demand funding for their Oklahoma Charter School!

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Where’s my Madrasah?

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“Oklahoma OKs”
Maine says “what about ME?”
Washington says “WA?”.

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My first thought as well. But they would still be able to do internet/phone sex. :frowning_face:

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When I first read this a day or so ago I missed that this would be an online charter school. I wonder what state the OK Catholic Archdiocese of OK is? If it’s anything like the St. Louis Archdiocese, they just went through combining dioceses and closing some of their schools. So is this a way get money from the whole state to prop up their shrinking Catholic population, and thus their schools?

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Sharia Law doesn’t teach itself.

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So I see we are getting a preview of next year’s SCOTUS docket.

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The board membership was changed the day before the vote. One person was removed and replaced so that the application would pass. Republicans with no shame, lots of corruption and no interest in providing a better public education for the children of OK.

OK should have learned their lesson with the EPIC Charter School debacle. It cost and still costing money to prosecute those grifters! We couldn’t manage that charter school program, this will be a disaster. The money for the legal services will be at OK taxpayers expense and a sad loss for OK kids.

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Ah, the endgame. Having the government pay to indoctrinate the children.

This has been the focus all along. They want Fed money. That’s all.

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How Talibanesque of Oklahoma…

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The AZ Legislature cannot do enough to push state and federal money toward more charter schools. Thankfully the money is all being used toward better education.

From the Republic

The founders of the BASIS charter school system and an evangelist were among the buyers of the priciest metro Phoenix houses to sell during mid-May.

## $6,750,000

Michael and Olga Block, the co-founders of BASIS Charter Schools, paid cash for a 6,123-square-foot Paradise Valley home. With four bedrooms and 4 ½ bathrooms, the house also has floor-to-ceiling glass walls, a parking court, a limestone path, a raked limestone fireplace, two bathrooms in the primary suite, a study and an exercise room.

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Talk about grooming! Think of all the pedophile pastors who will be able to mix grooming and grifting. What a great country! Sad!

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Or the Pastarians — school uniforms will be pirate gear. Eyepatch optional!

:pirate_flag:

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The key question is not whether a charter would help or harm local education, but whether explicitly religious instruction at charter schools is constitutional, given the First Amendment’s protections against government establishment of religion.

Not sure I follow this. Shouldn’t the question be whether explicitly religious instruction at charter schools is constitutional, given they’re taxpayer funded?

The government isn’t establishing a religion here. The religion already exists. Question would seem to be whether we’re going to direct taxpayer money into religious “education”

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That’s not what the “establishment clause” is understood to mean. No serious legal scholar thinks that the Constitution forbids govt from inventing a religion while permitting govt to promote an existing religion.

That is what the furore over establishment is understood by all the players to be about.

The question is: can government give public assets to private cults? The answer has historically been “no.” This article shows how that “no” has slowly been morphed into “yes, if a child benefits from it,” which is just a long version of “yes.”

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Not sure if you’re agreeing that’s the question or telling me that I’m wrong in thinking that wasn’t in fact the meaning of the establishment clause?

I found an article about what does the establishment clause mean. Would you say this is a fair summary?

Today, what constitutes an “establishment of religion” is often governed under the three-part test set forth by the U.S. Supreme Court in Lemon v. Kurtzman, 403 U.S. 602 (1971). Under the “Lemon” test, government can assist religion only if (1) the primary purpose of the assistance is secular, (2) the assistance must neither promote nor inhibit religion, and (3) there is no excessive entanglement between church and state.

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I Oklahoma is replacing ‘Separation of Church and State’ with ‘Separation of Church and State’.

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I think you may have got it. I do not know, given the makeup of the courts, where this might go, but GollyGee, this is so against the First Amendment, I do not see how even Oklahoma dummies can justify this.

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