Duuumb to dumb dumb.
Itâs funny how I really feel I know a lot of you. I do worry when regulars disappear.
ETA: I guess that sounds goofy and sentimental.
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Mulvaneyâs point of course is to help shift the reason for the quid pro quo: instead of soliciting help from a foreign power to influence an election (a federal crime), Trumpâs interested in ferreting out the Demsâ corruption during the last election (a quid pro quo in itself is not a crime).
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Exactly, he was trying to make that point, however inelegantly.
Did anyone mention to Mulvaney that on September 13, 2019 the family of Seth Rich had their lawsuit reinstated against Fox and two other defendants for making up shit about Seth Rich:
A federal appeals court Friday reinstated a lawsuit against Fox News and two other defendants over its coverage of the death of Seth Rich, a 27-year-old Democratic Party aide who was murdered in July 2016.
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This will depend on whether someone else in the admin thatâs been waiting to stick a dagger in Mulvaâs back.
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Yeah itâs like that for sure. 
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To back up your assertion
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/28/455
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/22/455
Barr is already in violation of this statute, btw, based on his interactions with the Acting DNI and the original WB complaint.
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ââWe sat around one night, we were back in the dining room going over it [G-7] with our advance teamâ
I wonder who has dinner with Trump (also known as watch FOX News with him while he eats), and who is on the advance team?
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If Congress wanted any stipulations placed on that aid package to Ukraine, those stipulations would have been written into the legislation authorizing the appropriation. That would have given the Executive Branch the parameters of sending the aid. My guess is that the appropriation is free of any stipulations or conditions. That makes Trumpâs dithering on the aid payments a blatant breach of the law.
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For those who need a little ray of hope about the DOJ, here it is:
If you read this carefully, this is the DOJ trying to do a CYA. They rejected TWO criminal referrals on the Ukraine matter without interviewing a single soul. Now, Mulvaney has fessed up to actions which constitute material facts that may well satisfy the elements of the very crime that the ICIG and the CIA GC outlined in their referrals to DOJ!!!
Per DOJ rules, they are almost compelled at this point to reopen the case.
I donât know who âSenior DOJ officialâ is, but my guess is that itâs someone who wants to get distance from Barr because Barr is f***ing up the rep of the institution. You can bend to a leaderâs will to a certain extent but not break in a Democracy. Barr is out on that limb and heâs breaking the DOJ.
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The server? I figured he was out back, burning one with the dishwasherâŚ
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Who would advise Trump on his personal liability exposure? Who would run the risk of his wrath? Trump will never believe heâs got this much trouble and wonât believe Mulvaney would throw him under the bus.
Is it even possible that Trump has no idea what has just happened, due to being wrapped up in his own delusions?
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According to Huff Postâs story, he told the press to âget over it.â The flippant criminality is off the charts. Un-be-effin-lievable.
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He doesnât like the way he won. Fewer votes and all thatâŚ
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Another part of the original story was that they withheld the funds because they were concerned about âcorruptionâ in the country, as in, they were afraid the money would be misappropriated. How an investigation into Hunter Bidenâs seat on a board of directors would have corrected that kind of corruption is a mystery, and it also remains unexplained how doing Trump the âfavorâ of confirming an unrelated conspiracy theory would clean up that kind of corruption.
It just proves they werenât concerned about the money going astray, they were just using it as leverage.
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OT, but hereâs the predictable âlook what I broke and then pretended to fix, so I should be laudedâ nonsense from Trump that heâs been doing since inaugurationâŚnot to mention that âok, if you surrender and clear out of the land we want to usurp, then weâll stop killing youâ is not a âceasefireââŚ
Oh, and can you tell that theyâre trying to make it seem like it was Trumpâs crayola-level crazytalk letter that did it? Also too: Pence has now been quoted as saying we have the USâs âclose relationship with Syriaâ to thank for this âceasefireâ.
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Dancing with the felons?
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Thereâs two threads to pull on this quid pro quo:
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We held up hard military aid, not unmarked dollars. Even IF Ukraine was corrupt, itâs in both their (obviously) and our national security interest for them to use military aid to protect against Russia. In no way was any âcorruptionâ related to not wanting to defend the country with weapons!
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Now that weâre in Pizzagate Land, theyâve admitted that Ukraine was fucked if their fever dream conspiracy actually was the bullshit it was, since Ukraine wouldnât be able to prove a negativeâ the only other way out was to make up bullshit that would say âyes, weâre a corrupt countryâ.
Basically the White House admitted today that if Frank Rich was the victim of a random violent attack, they would do everything to secretly make Ukraine powerless to more Russian assault.
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