Translation: you’re frantic to develop a Sanders got cheated narrative that sticks while ignoring all data and evidence to the contrary.
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It amazes me that you don’t realize the Senate is very much in play.
We need 4 seats to flip it. We have around 10 in play right now. The odds of them holding 7 (6 if they can win back AL) of those in a year where they will be losing the WH are very small.
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Biden winning the working white class vote as well is one of the main reasons why I wanted him to be the nominee out of the remaining viable candidates. We need those votes if we want to win back the Midwest, the Senate, and the Presidency.
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Biden will. But now is not the time, as many states still haven’t even had their Democratic primaries for Senate yet.
@fgs misses the fact that we have AZ, CO, ME, KY, SC, NC, 2x GA, MT, possibly IA, TX and KS in play right now. We only need to win back 4 to gain the majority in the Senate again.
And its very hard to imagine a Biden victory that doesn’t include flipping at least 4 Senate seats.
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The Centralists united when they needed to. Our Progressive wing did not. Timing is everything in life.
That being said, if the main objective is now to get rid of Trump, Centralists and Progressives better unite around our core Democratic principles and agree to disagree about everything else for the meantime. Once this happens, it will be more important than ever to balance the ticket and make sure everyone is shown respect.
There also needs to be a summit called among all factions of our party before the convention. Bring in everybody who showed up for the primaries. Short term goals and strategies must be formulated so we can hit the ground running once we take back the Senate and White House. We will have two years (at best) to fix all the things the GOP has broken since Trump took office, as well as pass rock solid, permanent laws addressing voter suppression, gerrymandering, Citizens United and universal healthcare which the Roberts Court can’t overturn.
And then call another convention of all wings of the party right after the election to chart the course for the long term. Debating issues needs to be internalized for a change so common interests are addressed in a constructive way. Nobody has all the answers. I’m sick of all the public bickering. The Russians found our weak spot and we need to instead make it a strength again. Diversity brings prospective if you let it.
Our main focus can no longer be just saving the middle class standard of living for workers and affordable healthcare. Our democracy, planet’s environment, income equality and social justice are now as endangered as the existence of all the amphibians and mammals on the planet…us being included. This virus is just the first challenge global warming is throwing at us.
It’s time for those in our party who want to make big changes and those who want to take it in stages to find a compromise that works for everyone.
We keep on letting the Republicans get by with doing every dishonest, greedy thing they want while we fight among ourselves over who has the best answers. It’s really discouraging to see us take one baby step forward after a landslide and then let them drag us back four steps every damned decade.
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AKA the Democrats who voted for anyone not named Bernie Sanders?
Why can’t you accept that Sanders just lost? We don’t need a fancy, world-embracing conspiracy to explain that, in the end, Biden received more votes. Plenty of people looked at Sanders this past week and said, “Nope.”
It’s not personal. People aren’t voting for Biden at you, you know, and insinuating in any way that not-Sanders voters are stupid, or duped, or just mindless sheeple who will do what they’re told is gobsmackingly offensive.
Sometimes, ya just git beat.
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That’s not how I see it. I think there is nuance here.
Nope, I would not draw that conclusion from the results. Many voters (vote by mail) in Washington sent their mailed ballots early - before the settling occurred. That makes our results pattern appear different from same day voting. My wife and I voted before FOUR candidates, including our choice, dropped out. We voted for Warren, but have NO trouble with Biden. Biden over performed predictions anyway. Like everywhere else we just want to beat Trump. That is more important than the particular who.
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I really don’t know why they feel they have failed when their message has dominated our primaries in these last two elections. Sooner or later it will take. Rome was not built in a day.
It’s clear that Hillary’s baggage was the problem in the last election. Trump’s will be in this election. We have a clear path to victory. Let’s not forfeit this advantage.
While there can only be one winner in any contest, I do feel that all factions of the party need to meet to plot a course for the future instead of disperse like we usually do after each election cycle. The 13 colonies saw the wisdom of calling a convention to discuss ways to advance their common goals. So must we. What’s the point of having a Big Tent if we don’t take advantage of its diversity and numbers?
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Bernie burned the bridge in 2016 and too many of his supporters have been creating havoc. It’s time for him to drop out of the race soon. And it’s high time the 18-24 demographic find a spokesperson that represents them better. He’s just not the one for that job. And they deserve better. He can go back to the Senate and be who he is there.
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And if we assume that you are a Russian troll then we can conclude that a significant fraction of anti-Biden commenters on this site are not American. I’m pulling my conjecture it of thin air but I’m pretty sure that my conjecture is at least as plausible as yours is.
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Since the numbers show 12%odd for Warren, 11% for Buttgieg, 3% for Klobuchar, I would call that grasping at straws given 25% of the votes were clearly cast before they dropped out. Making your story nonsense.
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With Bloomberg+Buttigieg pulling about 17% it seems pretty clear that a lot of folks voted early.
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And in fact 25% of the vote is showing such early voting for withdrawn candidates who ex Warren have clearly gone heavily for Biden (and given the results elsewhere le’t s be kind and split Warren in half between Bernie and Biden)
Turnouts are UP significantly and Biden is winning them heavily. That’s people, not a mythical establishment speaking. Half million odd up in Michagan from 2016 by early numbers
Biden was not my first choice, not my second choice, but he’s a damn sight better than Bernie in terms of being able to be liked broadly, being able to get the Suburban sometimes-voting-Republican soccer-mom who’s sick of Trump to change over.
Now is the time to put together a down ticket that looks like 2018, the 2018 that was a Trump driven blowout and flip Congress to give the Dems the legislative weight to be able to rolll back Trump damage and show the country what having a non-raving narcicistic loon in charge is like again.
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It is not hard to imagine not flipping, sorry let us not count our chickens before they hatch.
Decent chances, but Trump is cunning and nasty.
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Come now, it was a comeback.
Biden’s polling collapsed in February. He looked dead. And he came back, he didn’t lose his cool, he didn’t get overly nasty. He was just Joe. I was hoping for another candidate myself but I did like how they guy played straight ahead.
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But he isn’t a team player. And people like Gardner, Collins and McSally are going to being a very direct price because of that.
Republicans are facing serious challenges in places that shouldn’t even be on the board…South Carolina, Texas, Arizona, Georgia, Montana, Kentucky…and that is precisely what voluntarily entering into vassalage to Trump has cost their party.
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I don’t read it that way at all. 33% in a field of 6 or 7 is pretty darn good.
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Texas will edge purple over the next few years until it all comes crashing blue. Watch for this, because that will spell game over for Republicans for the next 50 years. All our conversations are going to be very different.
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I believe that is correct, though the timeframe for it happening is still open to question.
Texas turned red the same way, with most state politicians changing their party affiliation almost overnight. (Perry was a Democrat, for instance). Once Democrats gain a lead in the legislature, everyone will switch parties once again.
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