How Hutchinson Converted Skeptics To Thinking Trump Might Be Prosecuted After All - TPM – Talking Points Memo

[txlawyer]

@occamscoin

Why is that?

Because piling on all the related bad stuff in a single case is more effective than piecemealing the related crimes. If you can convince a bunch of jurors that TMFWSNBN did criminal fraud with the fake electors conspiracy, it’s a lot easier for them to conclude that he agreed to have the Proud Boys and the MAGA mob fuck up Congress’s shit in the conspiracy to obstruct. Vice versa too. Basically, the more related bad conduct, the better for the prosecution.

Wire fraud, however, would be a distraction. Fleecing his online marks doesn’t have much of anything to do with J6.

[txlawyer]

@occamscoin

That particular PB prosecution could be fucked, not all the PB prosecutions.

That particular Proud Boys prosecution is the one that includes Tarrio, Nordean, Biggs, Rehl, and Pezzola. It’s a hugely important case because any of those guys flipping upwards likely puts the conspiracy to fuck up Congress’s shit on Fat Boy’s doorstep. Anything that imperils its prosecution rightly puts DOJ into panic mode.

[powwow]

Oh but the germs! The communal bathroom and showers. The ick of everything will drive him more nuts than he is now.

[khyber900]

I don’t think the elite world shares that view any longer.

[daled]

@mattinpa

DeSantis led in a recent poll. I’d say that’s a notable change in the political landscape.

Except that DeSantis isn’t any better for the country, just maybe a LITTLE less in it for the grift.

[daled]

@dbeall

If he’s found guilty – his support will fall significantly. His supporters are delusional, but Americans tend to be quite literal about criminals.

I hope you’re right, at least among the “swing voters.” I think his true believers will take it as Martyrdom.

[tao]

@powwow

Oh but the germs! The communal bathroom and showers. T

Quite right. He will be much safer in his individual cell at Supermax.

[wassmuss]

In most of America employment is generally at will, meaning no reason is necessary except in claims of discrimination against a protected class.

[philmore]

@mattinpa

@daled

If those living in MAGAland continue to support Trump, even his prosecution and conviction will not notably change the political landscape

The support for Trump being president again is leaching away. DeSantis led in a recent poll. I’d say that’s a notable change in the political landscape.

There has definitely been a shift.

@daled

Except that DeSantis isn’t any better for the country, just maybe a LITTLE less in it for the grift.

Yes, and that’s a different issue. DeSantis is Trump with competence. His model is Orban. DeSantis is smart and dangerous.

[Fire_Joni_Ernst]

Tony Ornato!
I loved his work in the '70s:

Tony Orlando and Dawn - Knock Three Times

But not since.

[deepblueinga]

I kinda think that Trump will be, effectively, immune from prosecution.
Congressional Democrats are afraid of being seen as trying to prosecute, “political prisoners”. While Republicans will run over their own grandmothers for a chance at the brass ring.

[philmore]

Congressional Democrats or Républicains do not prosecute. That’s the job of DoJ. I think our friend @txlawyer believes they have approximately six grand juries currently working.

[mattinpa]

@daled

Except that DeSantis isn’t any better for the country, just maybe a LITTLE less in it for the grift.

I agree, but that’s that’s not what you were talking about.

[pinkie]

@justruss

@news247

Once ConMan Trump is gone and MAGA is no more and both are throughly debunked, it will be impossible to find anyone who supported either Trump or MAGA.

Oddly, that was my thinking in 2017. I agree with you, but what future point must we live to, to get there? I will only be on this planet another 3 or 4 decades. If I manage to stretch it that far.

There will always Maga-ots nostalgic for Scamelot.

[21zna9]

@dr_coyote

Well, at this point, I for one don’t really care what you believe.

And I couldn’t care less.

[alyoshakaramazov1]

@dicktater

too incompetent and completely absorbed in his own petty shit to actually deliver.

He “delivered” the justices who overturned Roe.

[alyoshakaramazov1]

@rockitttla

Garland’s DOJ is highly unlikely to charge Trump. And in the unlikely event that he were charged, Trump would never be tried by a judge or jury. He will be allowed to drag the proceedings out indefinitely with infinite stupid motions, writs, and appeals until we are all long dead. These are the people we the People have put in charge of DOJ.

You’ve apparently been sleeping for at least a week.

[alyoshakaramazov1]

@txlawyer

Correct. Although to clarify my original statement, mens rea means “state of mind”, not “intent”. Depending on the particular charge, you can be charged for doing the thing intentionally, knowingly. recklessly, negligently, strict liability (exceedingly rare) or anything in between, just based on whatever the applicable statute requires.

I just realized that the constant debate that’s been going on concerning the word “corruptly” in US Code 1512 c), just got settled, as far as Trump is concerned. If Hutchinson’s testimony is accurate and can be corroborated, then he intended to obstruct and/or impede an official proceeding, with supporters he knew were armed.

If that doesn’t settle the “corruptly” argument, then what possibly could?

[txlawyer]

“Corruptly” requires more than just intent. It’s something like intent plus consciousness of wrongdoing, so obstructing through some kind of dishonest means or with knowledge that you were breaking the law in order to do the obstruction.

[occamscoin]

@alyoshakaramazov1

If that doesn’t settle the “corruptly” argument, then what possibly could?

In tweetus veritas.