Considering how utterly disingenuous Manchin and Sinema have been through this entire process the fact that people are now talking about taking a ‘leap of faith’ is ridiculous. After a months long absolute embarrassment you’re basically saying, “And now we give the moderates everything they wanted in the first place.”
FUCK the moderates. If we were going to give up in the end what was the point of even getting this far? The bills pass together or not at all. Because otherwise once again the progressives are forced to choke on a moderate-only piece of bullshit and the lying, cheating, corrupt assholes get to prove they win every time.
["Jayapal: What We Need Is Biden To Say There Are 50 Votes
TPM’s Kate Riga just asked Rep. Jayapal whether she needed explicit statements of support from Sens. Manchin and Sinema for Build Back Better before she agrees to vote for the BIF.
‘Look, that’s what I would like,’ she replied. ‘If the President of the United States tells me that he has that commitment, I will accept his word.’
After a follow-up question, Jayapal reiterated: ‘I have to trust the President of the United States when he says he believes he has 50 votes in the Senate.’ "]
Amen and none of what is being said is productive. Progressives are seeing this as a failure when it includes many of the things they want. They seem to forget the very slim majorities Dems have in both Houses and the way to get more of their agenda across the finish line is to elect more Dems. The lack of self awareness boggles the mind. Biden comes in with a compromise which will pass the Senate and the House will deep six it. I am done with the lot of them.
I live in her district, have called her and expressed my disappointment. She is in extremely safe district unlike several of her colleagues in WA state. Three come to mind - Kim Schrier, Suzan Del Bene, and Derek Kilmer. All three represent “moderate” districts. Del Bene’s crosses the Cascades which is very red.
Christ, it feels so dumb to force a vote on BIF in advance of BBB approval. Sinema and Manchin have both shown themselves to be craven, untrustworthy assholes. If the House votes now on BIF, the progressives will sink it. Then BIF and BBB will both be dead.
If the House votes on BIF now and somehow it passes, then Manema will crush BBB anyway.
The only sensible way forward is to keep using BIF as leverage for Manema to agree to BBB. Then Americans will benefit from both, instead of continuing to be force fed from the current shit trough.
If we blow this, say hello to a couple decades of fascism. It really is that serious, and watching Democratic lawmakers stumble around in own forest of madness – consisting only of two rotting trees – is infuriating.
OK, that’s out of the way.
Secondly, given President Biden’s travel schedule, the Twitter accounts of the Executive Branch seem to be going all-in on today’s version of BBB. Whether Manema feels any pressure is the question.
Now I’m just getting angry again. I’m gonna get on the Hydrow.
I’m confused. Is Biden telling the progressives to not stand in the way, give me the BIF and we’ll work on the BBB after the holidays, or something? If Jayapal agrees to that and they go along, her caucus will see mandated leprosy vaccination legislation before they ever see BBB legislation again.
The BBB has been gutted but together both pieces of legislation add up to about 3 trillion. If the two whores (you know who they are) can’t agree to that, both done together, then walk away.
Common sense says something is better than nothing but this would be a bad decision and would haunt Biden for the rest of his term much like Obama’s decision not to go after the architects of the GR, the largest financial fraud in American history.
Absolutely correct. Plus, a slim pass of BIF and the resulting Sinema/Manchin betrayal on BBB will be viewed as a MASSIVE Democratic Party failure. That kind of stench doesn’t wash off.
I hate to throw water on all the moderate Dems here, but there must be NO VOTE on the BIF without explicit commitment in writing, or a simultaneous vote, on Reconciliation. That was the deal all along, and the right-wing Dems have reneged at every step of the way. What’s more, there is no guarantee that Biden can get their votes once the BIF is approved, with or without additional cuts to the program that they will surely demand. The BIF is the only leverage Progressives – and the American People, who overwhelmingly support the Reconciliation Bill – have, so why give it away for nothing? If Manchin and Sinema want their BIF, they can agree to Reconciliation. Period. Naturally, the corporate media and many on TPM will blame the progressives for “shooting the hostages,” but they will be wrong if the hostages, i.e., the Reconciliation Bill, are already dead.
