Homeland Security Chair Wants Hatch Act Probe Of RNC Naturalization Ceremony At WH | Talking Points Memo

Been trying to define what about it bothered me on a gut level. Thank you for furthering my understanding. Probably also thought the “diversity” would be a plus but just made it clear it was just a photo op.

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The president of low and lower.

Give him four more years and he’ll throw in lowest!

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I think of more as a compelled speech issue, wherein I was forced to give an in kind donation to a political party and RNC. How is this not a campaign finance violation? the resulting litigation could keep this in the news for more than few cycles.

So the hatch act, sure, and the optics of that so close to the election are worse than the legal repercussions. But more about fraud, lies, and campaign finance laws by a law and order president who can’t seem to follow the law himself.

Meanwhile a cat 5 hurricane hits the south during a pandemic and the FEMA fund is empty to build a wall that Mexico was supposed to pay for.

So much winning.

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By not being against campaign finance law.

Is that because they said it was “public” by putting it up on the WH web site the day before?

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No, it’s because it’s not against campaign finance law to stage a photo op or to use a government employee as a prop.

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Thank you.

Questioning Trump’s actions through the lens of their legality is a worthless waste of time.

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Yes and no. It’s useless, for now, when it comes to violations of criminal law. Injunctions for various other breaches of law can still be useful.

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Trumper is saying to America, " so what are You going to do about it". America says back to the asshole " vote your ass out of office and put it in jail".

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Investigate after the election. Focus on winning the Nov election about the economy and virus incompetency. This is like a speeding ticket compared to the other crap he’s done which we can only get rid of by voting him gone. Then the legal sh*$ will hit the fan for DT. Castro, get the minority vote out in Texas and be done with the Hatch Act for godsake. Texas, the worst state in lack of voting!!!

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isn’t there a limit on undisclosed in-kind donations? otherwise why was it illegal for Cohen to give Stormy D a check for 130,000?

This chirade cost a lot more than 130k and you and I paid for it. The benefit was not given to the opposition.

If that fails…
The Supremes recently said that unions could not force donations because it was “compelled speech”. With money now being the speech, and because we have freedom of speech, this is thus a first amendment issue. Should incumbents be able to compel speech in the way of forcing in-kind contributions to the incumbent?

Wouldn’t any us taxpayer have standing?

Nobody is alleged to have made an in-kind donation. If the public paid for any of the production costs or whatever, that would, at least arguably, be illegal. The reality, however, is that the RNC has shit tons of money, raised in unlimited amounts from mostly big business donors, with which to produce this event 100% legally. I’m sure they’re smart enough to pay the costs of Drumpf’s little stunts.

And if Trump were indeed compelling people to participate in his little stunts, that would indeed be a problem under the First Amendment. That didn’t happen.

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well that’s fair, but its another example of Baby Orange taking care of himself as Americans are literally drowning.

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If it was July 4, or Columbus Day, or even Mardi Gras, I’d agree with you.

But this was a blatant use of the White House for an openly partisan campaign event. And that ain’t right.

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Calling for an investigation, and actually conducting an investigation with some teeth are two entirely different things.

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Remind me: which one survived the other?

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Does the Hatch Act apply to people who just believe they work for the government?

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I grant you that the RNC has plenty of money and could pay for everything, but I’d bet that most of the bills will never be tabulated, sent or paid, and no one will look into it.

Biggest issue? no, not by a long shot. Would rather nail them with something more substantive than this, but then again Al Capone probably thought going down for tax evasion was pretty bullshit, too. Whatever works is fine with me.

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It was just determined that Wolf is in the job illegally, so anything and everything he has done is illegal, so this ceremony was illegal. There new citizens need to be sworn in by a legitimate / legal person, not Chad